Will an "unlocked" 950XL work on Verizon?

[DavidinCT]

This thread should be locked at this point. There should be no more discussion on IF the 950 or 950XL will or wont work on Verizon.

In a week or so, people should be getting these phones and we can re-open it when someone tests it with a Verizon SIM. Test the 950 and test the 950XL.

Testing process.
1. Test to confirm that you can activate it (if you have an active SIM), can you make a call ? Do you have data ? Can you get a TXT/MMS ?

If you can pass the first stage, then the next tests.

2. How is your coverage ? Get on the phone with someone and drive around while talking (have someone else drive). A good ride, 15 or so miles in your area, highway, and over a friends home (who gets spotty Verizon coverage the best test and KNOWN 3G areas). What is your result ? More dropped calls, or less, or flawless coverage like before ?

If you pass this step with good results, or at least reasonable results...
3. Use the phone for one billing cycle. See if your charged extra for roaming or if there is "hidden" Verizon fees. I might keep an eye on your bill or call Verizon 1/2 way through to see if there is any crazy charges.

Right now, this is a battle back and forth, YES IT WILL WORK, NO IT WONT.... it's getting old, there is only 1 way to know for sure and stop this guessing game.

My bets are on the 950 (one with the bands needed) wont even work with a Verizon SIM but, I would love to be proven wrong.

Stop the guessing and thinking you KNOW it will work, let's find out for sure...

 

[jfa1]

Well you can always ask Verizon to get you a new SIM and it wouldn't cost anything. That's what they had to do when I replaced my 928 with my current ICON... I'm not exactly in a position to just spend $600 on a 950 though without knowing for sure it will work on Verizon's network so unfortunately I can't be a test subject for this.

People the answer is simply NO it will only work on GSM networks. Even if it could VZN wouldn't activate it.

 

[Bobvfr]

This thread should be locked at this point. There should be no more discussion on IF the 950 or 950XL will or wont work on Verizon.

In a week or so, people should be getting these phones and we can re-open it when someone tests it with a Verizon SIM. Test the 950 and test the 950XL.

Testing process.
1. Test to confirm that you can activate it (if you have an active SIM), can you make a call ? Do you have data ? Can you get a TXT/MMS ?

If you can pass the first stage, then the next tests.

2. How is your coverage ? Get on the phone with someone and drive around while talking (have someone else drive). A good ride, 15 or so miles in your area, highway, and over a friends home (who gets spotty Verizon coverage the best test and KNOWN 3G areas). What is your result ? More dropped calls, or less, or flawless coverage like before ?

If you pass this step with good results, or at least reasonable results...
3. Use the phone for one billing cycle. See if your charged extra for roaming or if there is "hidden" Verizon fees. I might keep an eye on your bill or call Verizon 1/2 way through to see if there is any crazy charges.

Right now, this is a battle back and forth, YES IT WILL WORK, NO IT WONT.... it's getting old, there is only 1 way to know for sure and stop this guessing game.

My bets are on the 950 (one with the bands needed) wont even work with a Verizon SIM but, I would love to be proven wrong.

Stop the guessing and thinking you KNOW it will work, let's find out for sure...

Please do not stop this thread, 37 pages of guesses and speculation cannot end now, it would be a crime.

 

[littlebib]

Please do not stop this thread, 37 pages of guesses and speculation cannot end now, it would be a crime.

Totally with you on this one. This thread has been fascinating!

 

[aximtreo]

And who says that humans are loosing their imaginations and senses of humor. This thread proves both points wrong.

 

[anywhereanytime]

The problem is, according to some documents people have discovered, only the Lumia 950, not the XL, is compatible with Verizon's Band 13. The NAM (North America) model of the 950, supports LTE Band 13 and the only reason you'd support Band 13 in North America is for Verizon. Technically, the 950 XL could just support Verizon's LTE Band 2 and 4, but without Band 13, the odds of it working are even slimmer and your 4G coverage would be terrible.

The best way to test if the 950 line will work on Verizon would be to test it on the standard 950. Aside from the lack of CDMA support, the 950 has everything else you need to be on Verizon.

To me - I started this thread as a quirk and now at 93,000 + views and 37 pages = we STILL DON'T KNOW !!!

Closing this thread would be "WRONG" and let's BOTH Verizon and Microsoft OFF-the-HOOK!!!

I follow the blogs like a hawk and - even though we KNOW a lot is BS - I "see headlines" with Germany "pre-order", Poland "pre-order", UK, Australia, Italy, Russia, Canada, Brazil, etc. ...

AND ... US Microsoft "stores" PRE-ORDER "sold out" or delayed til December = MAY BE a WINNER!

Maybe = Verizon says "GOTTA STOP AT&T from making more money than us" on the 950 and 950XL ???

Verizon MISSED the iPhone = IDIOTS !!!

 

[Generalheed]

To me - I started this thread as a quirk and now at 93,000 + views and 37 pages = we STILL DON'T KNOW !!!

Closing this thread would be "WRONG" and let's BOTH Verizon and Microsoft OFF-the-HOOK!!!

I follow the blogs like a hawk and - even though we KNOW a lot is BS - I "see headlines" with Germany "pre-order", Poland "pre-order", UK, Australia, Italy, Russia, Canada, Brazil, etc. ...

AND ... US Microsoft "stores" PRE-ORDER "sold out" or delayed til December = MAY BE a WINNER!

Maybe = Verizon says "GOTTA STOP AT&T from making more money than us" on the 950 and 950XL ???

Verizon MISSED the iPhone = IDIOTS !!!

Well the 950's are shipping now and some people already have them. So it won't be long till someone attempts to use a Verizon SIM in a 950 to see if it works or not. Fingers crossed!

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Please do not stop this thread, 37 pages of guesses and speculation cannot end now, it would be a crime.

Actually 10 pages for those brave enough to max out their posts per page setting. But yeah, pretty incredible!

 

[920Walker]

Closing this thread would be blasphemous.

I heard the 950 will work during the time between a new moon and waxing gibous, while the 950XL will work between a full moon and waning crescent.

 

[dmc5076]

Ok, I have read most of the posts and have done some research on the frequencies of existing Verizon Windows phones and this is the data from that research. It is my perception that the unlocked Lumia 950 and 950 XL should work on Verizon by comparing the info below. Sorry, I don't have enough posts so cannot post the links to the Microsoft Store and Verizon links. Thoughts?

Verizon - LG Lancet (Blue)

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store VERIZON link

CDMA (BC0 / BC1)
LTE (Band2 / Band4 / Band5(TBD) / Band13)
Category 4

Verizon - HTC One (M8) for Windows (Gray)

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store VERIZON link

LTE[SUP]3[/SUP]: 700/AWS/1800/2600MHz;
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz;
WCDMA: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz;
CDMA: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1)


Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store VERIZON link

GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)


AT&T - Microsoft Lumia 950 (Black)

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store VERIZON link

GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)

Microsoft Lumia 950 ? Unlocked

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store

GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)

Microsoft Lumia 950 XL - Unlocked (Black)

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store

GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)

 

[PepperdotNet]

 

[TexasLabRat]

Ok, I have read most of the posts and have done some research on the frequencies of existing Verizon Windows phones and this is the data from that research. It is my perception that the unlocked Lumia 950 and 950 XL should work on Verizon by comparing the info below. Sorry, I don't have enough posts so cannot post the links to the Microsoft Store and Verizon links. Thoughts?


Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735

Link to this phone is in the Microsoft Store VERIZON link

GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

I'm assuming you were trying to show a Verizon-sold phone that didn't have CDMA and thus relied on only LTE? If that's the case, the spec's you pulled from the MS store are incomplete. The 735 definitely does have CDMA

Microsoft Lumia 735 Specifications - Microsoft - USA

Cellular connectivity[SUP]4[/SUP]

• GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
• GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
• GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
• WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz)
• WCDMA max data speed DL: 21.1 Mbps (Cat 14)
• WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
• LTE FDD network: Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 13 (700MHz)
• LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
• LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)
• CDMA network bands: BC1 (1900 MHz), BC0 (800 MHz)
• CDMA max data speed DL: Rev 0 /A 2.4 Mbps /3.1 Mbps
• CDMA max data speed UL: Rev 0 /A 153.2 kbps /1.8 Mbps

 

[maevinj]

I really think this thread should be locked but stickied. How many more times are we going to get random frequencies posted trying to support the theory these phones will work on Verizon. They WILL NOT WORK. Just wait for the 958 and 958 XL to come out next summer..

 

[Generalheed]

I really think this thread should be locked but stickied. How many more times are we going to get random frequencies posted trying to support the theory these phones will work on Verizon. They WILL NOT WORK. Just wait for the 958 and 958 XL to come out next summer..

We won't know till we try. This thread can be locked once someone definitively shows us what happens when you put a Verizon SIM inside a 950.

 

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Let's return to the fascinating tale of will it or won't it on "As the Lumia Turns."

 

[aximtreo]

I spoke with MS Tech Support yesterday, 11/19. I called to discuss this very topic because I bough the 950xl onlline on 11/16 and it is supposed to ship before 11/25. I can't in good faith spend this much money and take a chance it would work on Verizon. I explained this to the rep in great emotional detail. After some heming and hawing, the rep stated that neither the 950 or 950xl would work on Verizon; even utilizing only the LTE bands. I gathered from that there are no immediate plans to activate these two phones to allow Verizon operation. The rep agreed that this was a good supposition. I explained that I could not break a 4 line family plan on Verizon to go to AT&T just for the xl. I requested that my order be cancelled. Sorry, I won't be able to be the test guinea pig this time.

Follow-up: As for 6:15 AM MST, my order has not been cancelled. Don't know what's up but will post more later.

 

[Akira X]

Went to the MS store with my Lumia Icon, pulled my SIM and put it in a 950 (att&t), no go.
Also tried my SIM in a 640xl (unlocked), no go.

Unlocked 950 come out on the 26th(MS store opens at 6pm) , will try again at that time.

 

[PuckCowboy]

Went to the MS store with my Lumia Icon, pulled my SIM and put it in a 950 (att&t), no go.
Also tried my SIM in a 640xl (unlocked), no also.

Unlocked 950 come out on the 26th(MS store opens at 6pm) , will try again at that time.

Thanks Akira. Looking forward to what you report on the 26th.

 

[Bobvfr]

Went to the MS store with my Lumia Icon, pulled my SIM and put it in a 950 (att&t), no go.
Also tried my SIM in a 640xl (unlocked), no go.

Unlocked 950 come out on the 26th(MS store opens at 6pm) , will try again at that time.

If you go back about 30 pages you should find other have also tried this and you should find explanations why this wouldn't work.

We need a live working phone test.

We must be getting close and the excitement is building.................

 

[DavidinCT]

I heard the 950 will work during the time between a new moon and waxing gibous, while the 950XL will work between a full moon and waning crescent.

Awesome, let me get out my credit card RIGHT NOW TO BUY IT ! Epic, thanks for the conformation !