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  1. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    Seriously, just look at the comments here: Microsoft will allow Android apps to be quickly compiled for Windows 10 | Android Central

    Look at all the people willing to switch to Windows 10 just if the app gap is closed....

    Oops, what's that puddle at Google's wobbly feet?
    04-29-2015 05:26 PM
  2. wokaz80's Avatar
    I want to say, for the first time I finally have some optimism about windows 10! Dont get me wrong, I always use windows for my laptop and tbh I put much more time in front of my laptop than on my phone (maybe it's simply because I have online business to manage). but for mobile platform, tablet or phone, I always thought android has been superior even though I use lumia and love it! But just like every other person, the app gap is simply making things bad. Not to mention the standard apps also rarely get updated. In android we update our app every week or so. in lumia, the same app get updated only once every few months :(

    even with their first announcement of Windows 10 universal app concept, i still felt skeptical. Simply because I know myself and most other people who use windows laptop dont even bother to look at window store. we spend 99% of our time (be it about work or entertainment) in desktop mode. So despite MS made it easier for people to create app for both W10 and W10 for phone and small tablets, i still felt skeptical. However with this big announcement about android/iOS stuffs, I finally feel much more optimistic.

    Obviously this still might not solve the issue but the hope is finally there. MS took the only possible strategy to compete imo. There's still a chance that a lot of android/iOS developer chose to ignore to release their app on W10 store. Im sure there will be developers who do that. However, i'm also sure at least 40-50% of multi-platform app developers (app developers who release for both iOS and android) would at least pay close attention to this. Most multi-platform developers will now think twice before they chose to ignore windows app. Considering it's easy to port to Windows 10, im sure a lot of them would just release it here on Windows 10 as they dont need to rebuild the app from scratch again (which to me sounds like the only reason why they dont want to port, they believe the amount of time needed to build the app is not worth it)
    04-30-2015 01:41 AM
  3. elwin lobo's Avatar
    i feel MS has done everything possible from their end here.. however im not a pro developer and it would be great if some pro dev. could provide some actual insight into this like how easy it actually is from their perspective..
    04-30-2015 02:22 AM
  4. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    i feel MS has done everything possible from their end here.. however im not a pro developer and it would be great if some pro dev. could provide some actual insight into this like how easy it actually is from their perspective..
    Well, other than being easy to pott, the fact that at least 500 million users will probably upgrade to Windows 10 on the desktop, and if Microsoft deploys some kind of advert built in to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 potentially a billion, means that it will become very tempting for software makers to build universal Apps that also run on wp, even if they developp in C# or VB.NET.

    I honestly don't see how this can fail.
    04-30-2015 03:09 AM
  5. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Well, other than being easy to pott, the fact that at least 500 million users will probably upgrade to Windows 10 on the desktop, and if Microsoft deploys some kind of advert built in to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 potentially a billion, means that it will become very tempting for software makers to build universal Apps that also run on wp, even if they developp in C# or VB.NET.

    I honestly don't see how this can fail.
    I think the questions remain whether or not apps that have no use on desktop will be available or not.

    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?

    Games will probably be available, since those would be popular on desktops, tablets and phones.
    04-30-2015 03:14 AM
  6. Neyney10's Avatar
    Does anyone use apps on windows PC (non touch screen)? I always prefer downloading the desktop ver if exists , there are almost no services or apps which desktop apps cannot replace. Am,I wrong? Explain.
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    04-30-2015 03:15 AM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Does anyone use apps on windows PC (non touch screen)? I always prefer downloading the desktop ver if exists , there are almost no services or apps which desktop apps cannot replace. Am,I wrong? Explain.
    It depends on the app. A banking app would have no use on the desktop, since the main purpose of banking apps on mobile devices involves taking pictures of checks to deposit them.

    Nobody would use an app for a store on a desktop, laptop or tablet. For example, the Starbucks app allows one to scan his/her Starbucks Card at the register to pay for coffee. Nobody will take a laptop or tablet to the register to scan.

    Other apps do have a purpose. The Netflix app for Windows 8.1 works great on desktop, since it is less of a resource hog than viewing Netflix in a PC browser.
    04-30-2015 03:24 AM
  8. Visa Declined's Avatar

    Look at all the people willing to switch to Windows 10 just if the app gap is closed....
    It's nice to see a calm, mature, open-minded discussion about Windows Phone at Android Central. It is in stark contrast to the constant F**K SCROOGLE, Lagdroid, iSheep, Crapple posts that appear over here.
    04-30-2015 03:34 AM
  9. Neyney10's Avatar
    It depends on the app. A banking app would have no use on the desktop, since the main purpose of banking apps on mobile devices involves taking pictures of checks to deposit them.

    Nobody would use an app for a store on a desktop, laptop or tablet. For example, the Starbucks app allows one to scan his/her Starbucks Card at the register to pay for coffee. Nobody will take a laptop or tablet to the register to scan.

    Other apps do have a purpose. The Netflix app for Windows 8.1 works great on desktop, since it is less of a resource hog than viewing Netflix in a PC browser.
    True, but beside convenience, you can use Netflix even without the app, on the website.
    So, what isTHAT BIG REASON that people would start develop apps anyway? Beside the transfer from Droid or ios, I'm talking about windows store for pc's, beside the universal advantage, what more do you can do with them?
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    04-30-2015 03:44 AM
  10. plotsucker's Avatar
    So, what isTHAT BIG REASON that people would start develop apps anyway?
    Money.
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    04-30-2015 04:31 AM
  11. Blade800's Avatar
    I think the questions remain whether or not apps that have no use on desktop will be available or not.

    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?

    Games will probably be available, since those would be popular on desktops, tablets and phones.
    Why not ? Its 2015, I could see the bank app work for desktop. How ? NOTIFICATIONS. Similiar to Windows email notifications in upper corner. It would notify you about payments and other stuff. Its not a bad idea. Yes you can do that on your phone but why would you when you are working on your PC.
    04-30-2015 04:52 AM
  12. Protocol Rahul's Avatar
    I just went over google play to see the top grossing apps, there are mostly games, messaging apps. Yes, some apps can't leverage the desktop experience but as I see there, we all can benefit from all the other apps that are/can be relevant on desktop. And certainly apps can be tailored to match the desktop experience, For example banking ones, the advantage of using phones over desktop is valid, however the apps can substitute for websites or other experiences. I don't know much about banking, just gave out an idea. Developers can, with some innovation, have a different app experience on desktop while maintaining the universal scheme.
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    04-30-2015 04:56 AM
  13. markANTHONYgb's Avatar
    Do you think larger apps that are not on WP will put any effort to porting their apps to us? Even if it is easier to do with the recent announcements, apps will still need to be maintained once they release them which is more work for them with what they see as little return. I work for an app who are very large on ios and android. They have no plans to release a windows app, because they don't see it as being worth the trouble (despite my best efforts to tell them otherwise). Hopefully a few major players will take the plunge release a windows app, entice new users to take up windows and get this ball rolling.
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    04-30-2015 05:13 AM
  14. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    It's nice to see a calm, mature, open-minded discussion about Windows Phone at Android Central. It is in stark contrast to the constant F**K SCROOGLE, Lagdroid, iSheep, Crapple posts that appear over here.
    In our defence, Microsoft haven't been colossal d**ks towards Google, so they don't really have any reason too. On the other hand, Google haven't been very nice with us cough-cough-youtube-cough
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    04-30-2015 05:22 AM
  15. Mark Baker3's Avatar
    The boards are about google vs wp though. These are just people acting like adults rather than children. Keeping up with the neighbours is pointless. I use wp because it does what I need and the os works for me. Same goes for iphone and and android users I bet......
    04-30-2015 05:35 AM
  16. brunoadduarte's Avatar
    In our defence, Microsoft haven't been colossal d**ks towards Google, so they don't really have any reason too. On the other hand, Google haven't been very nice with us cough-cough-youtube-cough
    That's not an excuse.
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    04-30-2015 05:42 AM
  17. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I still think this is all " ooh me too" from ms . Why aren't devs on WP? Because its too hard to develop apps for windows? No. No money, no users, no WP marketing etc. Is this ms last ditch attempt to get devs onboard? I though it was already easy to make app for WP. Apparently its the hardest os to develop for maybe that's why we have the app gap and or why apps keeps jumping ship......yeah I don't think so.
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    04-30-2015 06:23 AM
  18. ealkalai's Avatar
    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?
    I am using my banking app on my desktop. I have faster and easier access than loggining into the website.
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    04-30-2015 07:57 AM
  19. markANTHONYgb's Avatar
    How many large apps will port their apps to Windows do you think? Even with the new announcements, apps will still need to be maintained once they've been ported. I work for a site that has a big ios and android app. They have no plans to port it to windows because it's just not worth it for them (despite me trying to persuade them otherwise). Without the big apps we don't currently have, we're not going to gain users, without the users, apps don't want to come here. Hopefully a few of the big apps will help break this vicious cycle
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    04-30-2015 08:14 AM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    They have no plans to port it to windows because it's just not worth it for them (despite me trying to persuade them otherwise).
    Are you trying to persuade them that it IS worth it, or are you trying to persuade them to port the app anyway?
    04-30-2015 08:57 AM
  21. stephen_az's Avatar
    Seriously, just look at the comments here: Microsoft will allow Android apps to be quickly compiled for Windows 10 | Android Central

    Look at all the people willing to switch to Windows 10 just if the app gap is closed....

    Oops, what's that puddle at Google's wobbly feet?
    Actually, before people get into cheerleader mode, I would encourage them to look at the developer blogs and sites from yesterday that are not already Windows focused. By that I mean the ones they are trying to attract. The response has ranged from mild interest to skepticism to disinterest to outright disdain. No one is jumping up and saying this has changed their development plans, with one of the most consistent comments (even among the interested) being it doesn't change the fact maintenance costs on a low user base app make it a non-starter. I am sorry to tell people but this is going absolutely nowhere since it still does not address the underlying problem. Developers are not on board and have been actively moving away because the users are not there to justify. As has also been rightly pointed out, which Microsoft refuses to acknowledges, expanding the user base to include Windows laptop and desktop users, changes nothing because that huge base are not the same type of user as those who make up the target (Android & IOS) markets. One would have thought Windows 8.X would have forced that recognition by now.

    I expect at the end of the year (or if things arrive late, end of first quarter next year) there will be no essential change and the store will still be devoid of most large and small US banking apps, key airlines, the array of other apps travelers use every day, aps for the social media obsessed crowd, whatever the current app is for the game obsessed, the educational apps for primary, secondary, and post-secondary education, and even the IOS/Android companion apps for Windows desktop applications (Quicken, Adobe's CC products, etc.). Again, apps in EU countries are irrelevant to platform overall success - no US equals no platform. You cannot get away from the singular reality that you must succeed where the money is and that will be in the US and developing countries. Hopefully, at that point this will be revisited and they will release an emulator since the no effort approach is the only way it will succeed.

    As for anyone who wants to argue that this is all just bluster, I would encourage you to try DuOs (or Bluestacks) on your laptop, tablet, or desktop for a month. Take a look at what is really missing. The gap is stunning and it is not in novelty apps for the easily entertained. It is in a world of substantive apps cross cutting things people do and/or use every day. None of the new tools create an incentive to move. They just make it easier to do something that developers have already rejected. Without an incentive, or a no effort solution, this is just a waste of time that will excite some people around here and at a Windows developer event but have no net effect on platform adoption rates nor on developer migration. They do not need to excite Windows developers to address the problem. They need to get the apps in the store from those who don't code for Windows mobile devices and who do not see it as a viable platform....
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    04-30-2015 08:57 AM
  22. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Seriously, just look at the comments here: Microsoft will allow Android apps to be quickly compiled for Windows 10 | Android Central

    Look at all the people willing to switch to Windows 10 just if the app gap is closed....

    Oops, what's that puddle at Google's wobbly feet?
    The other one I've heard about is Continuum on phone. I've showed some friends that are dedicated Android users the videos demoing Continuum and every single one of them have said that's a killer feature that would make them seriously consider switching.

    Couple that with easy Android and iOS ports. The way Microsoft is doing Universal Apps with web, .NET, C++/Java, and Objective C support, they have removed barriers.

    And they've also given phone app makers reasons to expand their app to desktop by putting desktop ability into phones.

    By creating the Universal App environment that can leverage the Windows desktop, Microsoft also is creating a massive storefront with app suggestions potentially in the Start Menu and on the Lock Screen. They have shown developers how they will allow them to get their apps out there to the largest amount of users - and they have shown how a mobile app can be much more.

    Then there's the pretty mindblowing ability to turn a web site into a Universal App and monetize it through the Windows Store. That's pretty huge itself. It allows for stopgaps to a point, but the web code shown looked pretty good as an app. It's basically a server hosted app, but MS really pushed things forward yesterday.

    Now if they can get carriers sped up or bypassed in some way. That would be the ultimate argument. Many Android users now have no idea when they will get Lollipop unless they go and buy a new phone - and they don't know when they'll get an update at that point.

    Windows presents an opportunity for apps to run across every device. It allows apps to maintain their state across devices, so you can pick up where you left off on an app in your desktop from your phone. It has a UI that will be the same whether Microsoft, Samsung, HTC, LG, or Motorola are building the phone, tablet, or whatever. It (hopefully) will be able to get regular updates on all devices as MS updates and improves the OS. An enable phone can become a desktop at need and uses two screen display - and I have to assume that eventually it'll be able to do this via Miracast and not just HDMI.

    The app gap does need to shrink - and they've provided tools and given developers a billion reasons to bring their apps. This includes the easiest access to Xbox ever, including linking to Xbox Live for achievements that could conceivably even enable achievements on Apps such as Instagram, Facebook, USA Today, or whatever. And they also showed that an app for Windows will also be an app for HoloLens, which could potentially change the face of computing. Time will tell, but HoloLens seems like it could be huge if it delivers on its promise. Huge for Enterprise. Huge for Research. Huge for Consumers.

    They've given developers a lot to be excited about. They've given consumers a lot to get excited about.

    I work with a guy that is huge on Windows at home but an ardent Android phone and tablet supporter. His eyes nearly popped out of his head when he saw all the integration, Continuum, how apps worked on a Universal level, and then HoloLens to top it all off. If Developers and MS deliver, guys like this will ditch Android.

    I've said it many times. Android's hold at the top is tenuous. People use it because it's there. Because it is the only iPhone alternative. It has devotees, but the average user could easily be convinced to leave it. Phones get upgraded and switched frequently and have for years. People are used to changing platforms there. The potential for a large migration is there if the right buttons are pushed. MS needs the developers above all, but they've given them every incentive.

    Yesterday Microsoft basically told iOS and Android developers that they could come to Windows for virtually little or no out of pocket cost. They told them that they will do everything they can to make that Windows marketplace have 1 Billion users in 2-3 years. Basically they told developers that Microsoft will be the ones eating the downside if there is one but developers would get to participate in the upside at no or little risk to themselves.

    I look at yesterday as a huge gamechanger. It's not going to have huge impact on iOS, but Apple has always been good at locking in users and giving them a great ecosystem experience. Android, not so much.

    This is going to be a fun ride.
    04-30-2015 09:14 AM
  23. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Actually, before people get into cheerleader mode, I would encourage them to look at the developer blogs and sites from yesterday that are not already Windows focused. By that I mean the ones they are trying to attract. The response has ranged from mild interest to skepticism to disinterest to outright disdain. No one is jumping up and saying this has changed their development plans, with one of the most consistent comments (even among the interested) being it doesn't change the fact maintenance costs on a low user base app make it a non-starter. I am sorry to tell people but this is going absolutely nowhere since it still does not address the underlying problem. Developers are not on board and have been actively moving away because the users are not there to justify. As has also been rightly pointed out, which Microsoft refuses to acknowledges, expanding the user base to include Windows laptop and desktop users, changes nothing because that huge base are not the same type of user as those who make up the target (Android & IOS) markets. One would have thought Windows 8.X would have forced that recognition by now.

    I expect at the end of the year (or if things arrive late, end of first quarter next year) there will be no essential change and the store will still be devoid of most large and small US banking apps, key airlines, the array of other apps travelers use every day, aps for the social media obsessed crowd, whatever the current app is for the game obsessed, the educational apps for primary, secondary, and post-secondary education, and even the IOS/Android companion apps for Windows desktop applications (Quicken, Adobe's CC products, etc.). Again, apps in EU countries are irrelevant to platform overall success - no US equals no platform. You cannot get away from the singular reality that you must succeed where the money is and that will be in the US and developing countries. Hopefully, at that point this will be revisited and they will release an emulator since the no effort approach is the only way it will succeed.

    As for anyone who wants to argue that this is all just bluster, I would encourage you to try DuOs (or Bluestacks) on your laptop, tablet, or desktop for a month. Take a look at what is really missing. The gap is stunning and it is not in novelty apps for the easily entertained. It is in a world of substantive apps cross cutting things people do and/or use every day. None of the new tools create an incentive to move. They just make it easier to do something that developers have already rejected. Without an incentive, or a no effort solution, this is just a waste of time that will excite some people around here and at a Windows developer event but have no net effect on platform adoption rates nor on developer migration. They do not need to excite Windows developers to address the problem. They need to get the apps in the store from those who don't code for Windows mobile devices and who do not see it as a viable platform....
    I expect you're incorrect. I know BoA, Chase, SunTrust, and many others are already working on Universal Apps. BoA and Chase pulled in preparation for a Universal launch. Smaller banks also can use their web code.

    As for an incentive, a billion people is a huge incentive. App suggestions on Lock and in Start is as well. It's no guarantee, but Android and iOS apps can be converted over in under a week now with very little cost. And MS showed that the conversion works in both cases.

    On top of that, there's the security issues and the antitrust fairy is about to visit Google in a big way. Android has long been a ticking time bomb and many can only say "apps" as the only reason they are on Android. That is a valid reason, but what happens if the app gap does close? When apps are no longer an advantage, Android is diminished and begins its death spiral.

    I have said time and time again that Google will become Yahoo 2.0 in the next 5-10 years. They are a single source revenue company with diminishing per click returns. Everything they have thrown at the wall to make money elsewhere has failed. Android is not a money maker for them and if the EU and/or the US eventually force them to not force Google Play and Google Services into Android then Google has no reason to continue working on it. Android is a ticking time bomb as is the entire Google ecosystem. Google will not go away entirely, but companies like Google never survive in their behemoth state for more than a decade. They've been helped in Android by lack of competition in expensive development in both iOS and Android. Adding a third was cost prohibitive. It is no longer the case.

    We'll see how this plays out. But it's not merely about the end of the year, it's long term. MS only needs growth. They very realistically could have 200 million Windows 10 users by the end of the year. That's significant.

    I will also say that MS only announced some partners. As we approach the launch, you'll see more and more launch partners on phone and beyond. This launch is going to play out in the US in a partnership with the NFL as new apps, new hardware, and new features are on display week after week as the NFL plays and Microsoft sponsors. Microsoft only touched the surface yesterday.

    I know Verizon Wireless is onboard with the upcoming launch and has signed up with Project Milky Way. They will be launching and pushing Windows 10 on tablet and phone in the Fall. That will include flagship devices from several OEMs as well as midrange and lowcost Windows 10 handsets and tablets. They are not the only one. Microsoft has been working with OEM partners and others to create a massive launch. You'll hear more about it as we get closer to September. I don't work for MS, but I've heard about some stuff due to connections. They are pulling every stop out for this. They are calling in all favors.

    So we'll see. That's not all a guarantee, but this is a move that could have some major impact. People know about Windows 10. People are excited for it. This is the last chance for Windows on mobile, but Microsoft has done everything to make it a realistic one.
    04-30-2015 09:29 AM
  24. jleebiker's Avatar
    As much as I LOVE Windows Phone OS and as much as Windows 10 is part of my day-to-day work... I wonder how many devs will really jump on this boat. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see app parity across platforms (cough) Facebook (cough)... But what is the incentive for iOS and Droid developers to add yet another overhead to their process? It's not to get apps into the WP marketshare. Would it be to get into the Windows 10 (desktop) marketshare? If that's the path, aren't the apps there already (for all intents and purposes)?

    ​It's kind of like what Laura was saying above.
    04-30-2015 09:46 AM
  25. elwin lobo's Avatar
    i honestly hope you are right and if you are then this is a massive win for MS
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    04-30-2015 10:04 AM
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