06-27-2011 12:58 PM
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  1. 3migo's Avatar
    Well Is not hard to know why. Android has the phones. I love the G2 design, lots of people like the Droids, The Galaxy line up is doing amazing.

    The phones are what bring the people up. The HD2 sold a lot and is still selling well because of the phone, not because of Windows Mobile 6.5.
    I couldn't agree more. Android has a lot of companies making high end handsets, but there aren't really any handsets running WP7 that stand up to most of the Android phones (or even the iphone) when it comes to hardware. And lets face it, most customers will buy the prettiest device that has a big feature that the competition lacks, and that is what WP7 handsets are lacking. I have a feeling that with mango, we will start seeing a lot of higher end handsets, which is why I'm holding out until mango.
    06-21-2011 08:05 PM
  2. firedancer1189's Avatar
    Just to put my two cents in, I think Microsoft is starting to realize the lack of knowledge/sales for their handsets. I know in the last week or so in my area I have heard AT&T commercials that talk about their rate/data plans and than let the listener know that AT&T has exclusive Windows 7 phones and to come in and check them out. Hopefully that is Microsoft saying to the carriers "hey!!! sell our awesome phones or else!"
    06-22-2011 02:30 AM
  3. jalb's Avatar
    I couldn't agree more. Android has a lot of companies making high end handsets, but there aren't really any handsets running WP7 that stand up to most of the Android phones (or even the iphone) when it comes to hardware. And lets face it, most customers will buy the prettiest device that has a big feature that the competition lacks, and that is what WP7 handsets are lacking. I have a feeling that with mango, we will start seeing a lot of higher end handsets, which is why I'm holding out until mango.
    I don't necessarily disagree, but there are just as many crap Android handsets. I think it's why some people have such mixed views of Android. You got one guy that loves it, using a 1.5 GHZ monster phone, and another guy complaining about lag on a 750 MHZ "entry level" pos.
    06-22-2011 07:39 AM
  4. rpm5101's Avatar
    Yes, but WP7 will run much smoother on a 1 GHz device than cluttered, app-washed Android will on any similar build. :) WP7 doesn't need dual-core processors or anything due to the simplicity of the OS.
    06-22-2011 09:51 AM
  5. Winterfang's Avatar
    Duel-core is still good for gaming and video recording capabilities.
    06-22-2011 10:59 AM
  6. 3migo's Avatar
    Just to put my two cents in, I think Microsoft is starting to realize the lack of knowledge/sales for their handsets. I know in the last week or so in my area I have heard AT&T commercials that talk about their rate/data plans and than let the listener know that AT&T has exclusive Windows 7 phones and to come in and check them out. Hopefully that is Microsoft saying to the carriers "hey!!! sell our awesome phones or else!"
    At the AT&T store I went to on Monday, the largest display in the store was for Windows phone 7, it was the first thing you saw when you walked in the door, while the Iphone display was off in the corner.
    06-22-2011 12:36 PM
  7. Winterfang's Avatar
    At the AT&T store I went to on Monday, the largest display in the store was for Windows phone 7, it was the first thing you saw when you walked in the door, while the Iphone display was off in the corner.
    Same on the store I work close. Hence me watching new Focus users almost daily.
    06-22-2011 12:50 PM
  8. 3migo's Avatar
    Same on the store I work close. Hence me watching new Focus users almost daily.
    I was very surprised, but I suppose that the Iphone doesn't really need that big of a display, Apple already has everyone sucked into their distortion field, who are willing to buy the Iphone without playing with it.
    06-22-2011 12:54 PM
  9. jalb's Avatar
    At the AT&T store I went to on Monday, the largest display in the store was for Windows phone 7, it was the first thing you saw when you walked in the door, while the Iphone display was off in the corner.
    At ours, WP had a tiny display in a corner, wedged between the service counter and the window, and half hidden by a giant cardboard sign about UVerse. Which was funny too, cause when my wife asked about UVerse, the guy politely told her what it was, and let us know it's not offered in this area. I'm like why is there a 9 foot tall sign for it then?

    AT&T is just a mess.
    06-22-2011 12:54 PM
  10. 3migo's Avatar
    At ours, WP had a tiny display in a corner, wedged between the service counter and the window, and half hidden by a giant cardboard sign about UVerse. Which was funny too, cause when my wife asked about UVerse, the guy politely told her what it was, and let us know it's not offered in this area. I'm like why is there a 9 foot tall sign for it then?

    AT&T is just a mess.
    Odd, that's where the Iphone display was at my store, wedged between the service counter and the window, hidden by banners.
    06-22-2011 01:00 PM
  11. hardrock1a's Avatar
    This is how MS works a lot of the time. We saw it with the Xbox, the first round out of the gate was lack luster, but got units out in peoples hands. They are doing the same thing with WinPhone, get the product out and keep plugging away at it, making improvements all along the way.

    It's only been 8 months now and I am confident that as more normal people (read: non techies) get a hold of this phone they will love it. The techies, the tweekers and tuners may be slow coming to WP because the OS runs beautifully on lower grade hardware and they are too caught up in the specs.

    Don't get me wrong, WinPhone needs a breakout device. Like Stephen Elop said, he "wants a device to make people drool on the display case". More memory, high end camera, LTE, HD Radio... then the big time wish list item.. a Lytro camera... if you have not seen these, WOW...brand new tech that's going to change photography soon. Bing lytro camera. This is a good podcast about it too...

    Buzz Out Loud 1497: Lytro is the camera of the future (Podcast) | Buzz Out Loud Podcast - CNET Blogs
    06-26-2011 09:46 AM
  12. Duvi's Avatar
    That looks awesome!
    06-26-2011 10:30 AM
  13. Luisraul924's Avatar
    An interesting concept for photography to say the least, however, I highly doubt that technology will be coming to smartphones anytime soon. The reason I say this is because that light field camera you speak of most definitely seems to be the next generation movement of photography, however smartphone OEMs have yet to even implement a working high quality current gen camera into their devices sure HTC is at about 8 mp with some of their devices, but with the optics they use and poor quality sensors they have, those pics end up looking like a 1.3 mp flip-phone camera took it. Anyways, all exaggerations aside, Nokia seemed to be the only one doing anything about the issue with the N8 camera having nice Carl Zeiss optics at 12 mp. Now however I dont know where they're headed with that as the successor to the N8 (the N9) received a REDUCTION in the camera department from 12 to 8 mp... That actually followed a recent announcement stating that Nokia will now be outsourcing their manufacturing to Compal, whom don't do a good job at it in my personal opinion. So when this technology will be reliably incorporated into smartphones in a useful manner is hard to say.
    06-26-2011 01:38 PM
  14. hardrock1a's Avatar
    That would be exactly the point of putting it in. Hey, I am in tech, I know that sometimes these things dont move very fast, and I know that phone cameras suck. Conspiracy theory: The camera makers are conspiring with the phone makers to make us keep having to buy both.

    It would be a WOW factor and if you work with this guy now before they REALLY take off, it will be cheaper... still expensive, but cheaper.
    06-26-2011 03:25 PM
  15. Luisraul924's Avatar
    That would be exactly the point of putting it in. Hey, I am in tech, I know that sometimes these things dont move very fast, and I know that phone cameras suck. Conspiracy theory: The camera makers are conspiring with the phone makers to make us keep having to buy both.

    It would be a WOW factor and if you work with this guy now before they REALLY take off, it will be cheaper... still expensive, but cheaper.
    Dude I just finished talking about how Nokia works with Carl Zeiss to get awesome cameras in there phones... I honestly believe the OEMs put mediocre optics for cost effectiveness. Leaving room for people to still buy dedicated cameras yes, but I know I don't. What I think would be nice is to have a high quality standard of smartphone cameras somewhere between 12-16 MP, where freelance photographers that aren't really looking to go big time, have the ability to take high quality pictures without having to buy a dedicated camera. Then, if/when the photographer in them wants to take over, they can at that point buy a dedicated near pro quality camera of at least above 20 MP. That's what I think. That lytro idea is awesome though.
    06-27-2011 12:58 PM
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