02-17-2012 10:14 AM
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  1. baseballbert's Avatar
    I'm sitting on two iPhone 4S' (16gb & 32gb) and I plan on selling one of them when 900 comes out so I can get it to see how well I like it.

    The question is with Apollo supposedly coming out next summer, is it worth picking up an unlocked Lumia 800 on ebay (preferably in white!) and waiting it out to see what Nokia releases later in the summer?

    I don't want to get a phone that cant be upgraded to a new OS.
    02-12-2012 11:07 PM
  2. jimski's Avatar
    What makes you think that a Nokia 900, or any Windows Phone for that matter, will not be upgradeable to Apollo. And when you are taking about next summer, do you mean Summer 2012. I thought Apollo was due end of year, 2012, as in Fall/Winter.

    Frankly I don't give a crap about Apollo. Life is too short to worry about **** like that. I paid nearly full price for my Surround (loyalty discount) and will get the 900 (upgrade) as soon as AT&T sells me one. And if Apollo is in fact better than sliced bread, and only accessible on a new phone, I will deal with it then.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    02-12-2012 11:46 PM
  3. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Either you want a new device now, or you're satisfied. Apollo is almost guaranteed to be 8+ months away, it is a major overhaul. If you can wait that long then you must not really want a new device that much. :P And I have seen zero reason to believe the 900 which is not even out yet will be effectively obsoleted in that short amount of time. I preordered five 900s and we're gonna enjoy the **** out of them all year while many sit by and chew fingernails with paranoia. :P
    02-12-2012 11:56 PM
  4. based_graham's Avatar
    It depends if you don't want a 4.3inch screen and a front facing camera than go with a Lumia 800.

    Lumia 800 is a great phone, great size, great build, fantastic OS and if Nokia White and Cyan colors in the states that a complete W.

    If Lumia 800 only had a FFC it would be the perfect phone for me
    02-13-2012 12:34 AM
  5. lumic's Avatar
    Just do yourself a favour and wait till MWC in any case.

    I personally think it's bonkers to go with a Lumia 900-specced device when we are fairly certain that a huge overhaul will be coming by October.
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    02-13-2012 01:10 AM
  6. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Just do yourself a favour and wait till MWC in any case.

    I personally think it's bonkers to go with a Lumia 900-specced device when we are fairly certain that a huge overhaul will be coming by October.
    Oh that soon? :P The date has been set? Guess what will be out 8 months after that? I've played the waiting game too many times and been disappointed. What never disappoints though is knowing that no matter what, new stuff is coming. So just enjoy stuff now.
    02-13-2012 02:04 AM
  7. Judge_Daniel's Avatar
    Agree with lumic in that you should wait for MWC to decide. I am hoping that there will be some discussion about Apollo there. Wasn't Mango announced at MWC last year? I would also guess that since MS is showing off Win8 on Feb 29, they'll want to tie together that, WP8, and the 360 and show how they'll blow the competition away.

    Since I've seen you buy phones quite often (or at least more often than most), I would say go ahead and buy a L900. I think it will have a better camera than the 4S and I'm not certain that the L800 can say that. I also think that WP running on LTE will be ridiculously smooth and pleasant.
    02-13-2012 02:14 AM
  8. Gmotagi's Avatar
    IMO if we see appollo this year it will only be on one or two phones that means your choice will be severly limited. Personally I think it will be this time next year we see most of the manufacturers launching apollo devices. Buy a 900/910 (I will be) enjoy that for the year and see how you feel about WP7 (you will love it of course) then reevaluate in Q4 when things become clearer. Worst comes to worst you can sell the 900 and buy back a lesser phone.
    02-13-2012 03:00 AM
  9. Pronk's Avatar
    If you want a new phone now, get the 800 or 900. If you think you won't be able to bear it if it does turn out the 800/900 can't be upgraded to apollo, wait. The iPhone(s) will hold their value far better than either of the Nokia models, so will give you more cash should you then want to sell them and get an Apollo handset later.

    If you bought an 800/900 and then sold that for an upgrade, you would basically be throwing money away for the sake of owning a phone for a few months.
    02-13-2012 06:27 AM
  10. Winterfang's Avatar
    With all the people jumping out of Windows Phone (the ones that worked on it ), I'll be surprised if the 900 even comes out...

    Why are all of them abandoning ship? :'(
    Last edited by Winterfang; 02-13-2012 at 07:01 AM.
    02-13-2012 06:51 AM
  11. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Just get it the 900 is going to be a stellar device the Apollo update rumors are just rumors. I cant wait to get my hands on a 900.
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    02-13-2012 07:04 AM
  12. Winterfang's Avatar
    Me neither, I have my money saved an all. When the phone gets an official date I'll be going to my carrier and say my goodbyes. I'll be going to AT&T baby. I'm tired of errors and my Browser screen always being white.
    02-13-2012 07:14 AM
  13. oldpueblo's Avatar
    With all the people jumping out of Windows Phone (the ones that worked on it ), I'll be surprised if the 900 even comes out...

    Why are all of them abandoning ship? :'(
    Honestly, I've seen references to the possibility that the phone department is somehow possibly going to be rolled up into the Windows on Arm department. So it could just be internal restructuring.
    02-13-2012 12:45 PM
  14. gtg465x's Avatar
    Just do yourself a favour and wait till MWC in any case.

    I personally think it's bonkers to go with a Lumia 900-specced device when we are fairly certain that a huge overhaul will be coming by October.
    Dude, October is so freaking far away. Using that logic one might never upgrade. Come October, we'll be hearing about the next generation of Windows Phones set to come out in Spring 2013. Then you'll wait for those, and when they come around, we'll hear about the phones planned for October 2013, and so on.
    Last edited by gtg465x; 02-13-2012 at 01:05 PM.
    02-13-2012 12:59 PM
  15. gtg465x's Avatar
    If you bought an 800/900 and then sold that for an upgrade, you would basically be throwing money away for the sake of owning a phone for a few months.
    I don't follow. If you buy a 900 and still decide to upgrade in October when the new phones arrive, you've simply spent the couple hundred dollars "lost" on a solid 7 months of pure enjoyment. Or, if the 900 ends up getting the Apollo update (very likely), you can laugh at all the suckers who spent 7 months longer in misery with their old and busted phone.
    02-13-2012 01:05 PM
  16. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Google the story of the HTC Merge on Verizon, and see why I will never wait with hopes and dreams again.
    02-13-2012 02:29 PM
  17. Pronk's Avatar
    I don't follow. If you buy a 900 and still decide to upgrade in October when the new phones arrive, you've simply spent the couple hundred dollars "lost" on a solid 7 months of pure enjoyment. Or, if the 900 ends up getting the Apollo update (very likely), you can laugh at all the suckers who spent 7 months longer in misery with their old and busted phone.
    Depends on your definition of value, but the OP isn't coming from a busted phone. if I had a very good phone I wouldn't consider selling it and buying a slightly different very good phone that depreciates much faster, then selling that and buying ANOTHER phone - but having to put in more money to get it because of the more rapid depreciation - a good deal. It's just burning money up in depreciation and paying top dollar for what's new twice as opposed to once. Plus you'd be looking to sell your windows phone at the precise point a lot of other people would be looking to sell theirs, leading to further price deflation.

    Sure, the Lumia 800/900 is a nice phone (I should know, I have one). But bar a few OEM-specific apps it's the same OS on it as every other WP device. Unless you're a hardware nut and can't resist the polycarbonate, you're not going to get anything above and beyond what you'd get on the cheapest WP in the sense of user experience. Apollo phones, however, will almost certainly be different. Therefore that extra money might well come in handy at that time.
    02-13-2012 03:23 PM
  18. Sir_Josh's Avatar
    I've recently been having this argument with myself. I am a Radar 4G user and im very happy wth it, but I have really been thinking a lot lately about getting the 900. I am mainly interested in the larger screen and better ffc,

    I decided that I would rather hold off on the slight upgrade now and get an Apollo device that is a larger upgrade. Hopefully with multi-core CPU, NFC, and higher rez screen around 4.5. If I didn't already have a great WP7.5 device though it would be a much harder choice.

    If I didn't, I would just get whatever felt right for a good price, then just enjoy it and flip it for a new device if need be later. However if you already have a good WP7.5 device, I would just hold out for a bit and see what happens.

    Sent from my Radar 4G using Board Express
    02-13-2012 04:40 PM
  19. Exomondo's Avatar
    WP8 (Apollo) is too far away to be concerned with now. The only thing i really want from 2nd gen phones is a front-facing camera, but i'm not going to upgrade just for that.

    My interest is in a larger screen (well Titan-size) with a Galaxy Nexus resolution (720p) since the main thing i use my phone for on the go is web browsing. That is coming with Apollo so no need for me to upgrade until then.
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    02-13-2012 05:49 PM
  20. lvuman's Avatar
    Will the 900 be available in Alaska ? If so, when?
    Last edited by TheWeeBear; 02-14-2012 at 11:20 AM.
    02-13-2012 05:52 PM
  21. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Do you have AT&T in Alaska?
    02-13-2012 06:24 PM
  22. oldpueblo's Avatar
    I've recently been having this argument with myself. I am a Radar 4G user and im very happy wth it, but I have really been thinking a lot lately about getting the 900. I am mainly interested in the larger screen and better ffc,

    I decided that I would rather hold off on the slight upgrade now and get an Apollo device that is a larger upgrade. Hopefully with multi-core CPU, NFC, and higher rez screen around 4.5. If I didn't already have a great WP7.5 device though it would be a much harder choice.

    If I didn't, I would just get whatever felt right for a good price, then just enjoy it and flip it for a new device if need be later. However if you already have a good WP7.5 device, I would just hold out for a bit and see what happens.

    Sent from my Radar 4G using Board Express
    Yeah if I had a Titan I probably might wait on the 900. Well I doubt that but it'd at least be a harder decision. Right now though I'm on an arrive, and I'm sufficiently convinced that I can finally ditch a hardware keyboard and I need a larger screen. The other day I had to actually edit an Excel spreadshet and the 3.7 screen was killing me.
    02-13-2012 06:27 PM
  23. Winterfang's Avatar
    I don't think I can honestly wait will Apollo for a new phone. I saw the Galaxy Nexus in person and the screen didn't blow my mind so I can deal with 480 X 800.
    02-13-2012 08:55 PM
  24. based_graham's Avatar
    I would get it if its 99$ and upgradable to Apollo sure why not. The only thing you will be missing out on is NFC.

    For 99$ you will be getting a incredible phone with a front facing camera and a 4.3 inch screen so I say sure go for it. If you keep it in good condition the re-sell value will still be pretty high.
    02-13-2012 10:48 PM
  25. lumic's Avatar
    Something at MWC about Apollo will honestly be a surprise, but I'm hoping for some kind of confirmation that current devices will get an Apollo update. If the Lumia 900 doesn't, it's dead in the water. Don't even bother.

    It's true that Mango was shown off last year, and I believe Windows Phone 7.0 was first unveiled at MWC 2010. However, Windows Phone was launched in October with information about NoDo. We still have no information about Tango, so I think MWC will be focusing on that.

    Oh that soon? :P The date has been set? Guess what will be out 8 months after that? I've played the waiting game too many times and been disappointed. What never disappoints though is knowing that no matter what, new stuff is coming. So just enjoy stuff now.
    I think it would be lame if Apollo was not released this year, as it should arrive alongside Windows 8 for the holiday season. It's bigger than Mango, so I guess I could be wrong.

    Guess what was out 12 months after the launch of Windows Phone? Mango devices - still single-core, still 480x800.

    Fact of the matter is, Mango was a major iteration but brought no huge leap in hardware. Don't downplay the hardware leap in Apollo, it's unlikely to be this massive for Windows Phone 9 - if not from a pure GHz / core perspective, then from a usage perspective.

    Current hardware is clearly behind the frontrunners of the Android and iOS pack, and leaves us with second-rate games (among other uses of more raw power). Once you move to a heavy-hitting dual-core Snapdragon, you're safe for a while.

    Sure, you can always say quad-core will be next. But do you think quad-core will be utilised anywhere near its maximum potential within the next three years? I'm fairly certain Microsoft is hitting the ceiling in terms of optimisation with a single, outdated core. Let's wait and see what magic is performed with two.

    Dude, October is so freaking far away. Using that logic one might never upgrade. Come October, we'll be hearing about the next generation of Windows Phones set to come out in Spring 2013.
    My contract will be ending August this year, and I'll likely be switching to a prepaid carrier until the middle of next year, when I hope that Apollo devices will reach a reasonable price point for myself. Yes, I'll be in 2013 with an Omnia 7.

    I know what it means to wait, I was using a HTC Touch until August last year. I'm not foolish enough to wait and wait and wait - but I'm wise enough to see that the Apollo specs are enough to blow the socks off the 900. The Mango specs don't blow the socks off my Omnia 7. Just because there will be another upgrade in 2013 does not mean it will be equally impacting.
    Last edited by lumic; 02-14-2012 at 01:28 AM.
    02-14-2012 01:18 AM
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