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  1. Ryan ODonnell's Avatar
    Also signed :)
    Last edited by Ryan ODonnell; 12-22-2014 at 09:15 PM.
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    12-22-2014 08:58 PM
  2. Ryan ODonnell's Avatar
    5 strikes then you're out! I was told by CEO of Snapchat my account was locked 4 times for using a third party application and then the fifth time, a permanent ban comes in place.
    Last edited by Ryan ODonnell; 12-22-2014 at 09:14 PM.
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-22-2014 08:59 PM
  3. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    Thanx for sharing my petition! Please share as much as you can and we have to get WPcentral to make an article! Then maybe we could have 15000 now!....
    I've shared it in 3 different places :) I've got my brother to sign it also.
    12-22-2014 11:11 PM
  4. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    It cost close to 100 grand to create a mobile app. There just isn't enough motivation for them to create one for WP. I am an avid WP user, I love the platform. But sadly I think it isn't going to survive. Carriers, Devs and mobile users aren't buying into the platform. Sad really
    If they could just collab with Rudy.. That'd be a win-win won't it? Won't cost them 100 grand anymore! And any number of new users no matter how few is only good for their service.
    12-23-2014 12:20 AM
  5. heickelrrx's Avatar
    If they could just collab with Rudy.. That'd be a win-win won't it? Won't cost them 100 grand anymore! And any number of new users no matter how few is only good for their service.
    Maybe MS competitor pull some string in this case so that's not gonna happen
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-23-2014 07:33 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Maybe MS competitor pull some string in this case so that's not gonna happen
    Could be I guess, but that's not a likely scenario.

    I do have this question though: is there any reason for Snapchat to have a beef with Windows Phone? I can certainly understand a direct competitor such as Google doing something like this, but Snapchat should be totally platform agnostic. What do they care which platform their users are on, as long as they're using Snapchat? I don't get it.

    I would think that maybe Snapchat is not providing a WP app due to technical issues, but 6snap was great, and seemed to work fine. This fact debunks that theory. Not enough users? Maybe, but taking into consideration that Snapchat has 100 million (probably more by now) active monthly users, there should be at least 3 million WP users, using WP's 3% worldwide market share to calculate. So what's the reason?
    12-23-2014 07:48 AM
  7. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Could be I guess, but that's not a likely scenario.

    I do have this question though: is there any reason for Snapchat to have a beef with Windows Phone? I can certainly understand a direct competitor such as Google doing something like this, but Snapchat should be totally platform agnostic. What do they care which platform their users are on, as long as they're using Snapchat? I don't get it.

    I would think that maybe Snapchat is not providing a WP app due to technical issues, but 6snap was great, and seemed to work fine. This fact debunks that theory. Not enough users? Maybe, but taking into consideration that Snapchat has 100 million (probably more by now) active monthly users, there should be at least 3 million WP users, using WP's 3% worldwide market share to calculate. So what's the reason?
    Money! I can't think any other than that
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-23-2014 07:50 AM
  8. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    Money! I can't think any other than that
    Money? How? They're waiting for MS to pay them to create an app?
    prasath1234 likes this.
    12-23-2014 07:57 AM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    Money! I can't think any other than that
    Which would mean that there are not enough users. So we're back to market share, the same argument everyone else uses.

    That said, pretty much every business decision made in every business stems back to money, somehow.
    12-23-2014 08:00 AM
  10. jomarr's Avatar
    Done.

    sharing this to the Philippine Windows Phone community
    UchilHasmit likes this.
    12-23-2014 08:56 AM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    Which would mean that there are not enough users. So we're back to market share, the same argument everyone else uses.

    That said, pretty much every business decision made in every business stems back to money, somehow.
    Doubt it...
    AFAIK they intend to accumulate as many users as possible with the intention of eventually selling to FB&Co for a few billion. They are currently financed by millions in venture capital, so not even on iOS or Android is the size of the user base that important, as the users are not their source of money. Considering that Snapchat is, technically at least, a rather trivial app, it's hard to see why they wouldn't provide one for WP. A good WP developer could put a Snapchat client together in two or three months... tops. Heck Snapchat could even designate 6snap as their official app and be done with it... no work and no investments required. For all those reasons, the "too little market share" argument just doesn't fly here.
    I'd be far more willing to believe in business related concerns, like them wanting MS to invest 20 million in return for their "cooperation".
    RumoredNow, tgp, xandros9 and 1 others like this.
    12-23-2014 09:09 AM
  12. prasath1234's Avatar
    Maybe Snapchat wants money from MS a loads of money to make a app they won't develop.
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-23-2014 09:18 AM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Doubt it...
    AFAIK they intend to accumulate as many users as possible with the intention of eventually selling to FB&Co for a few billion. They are currently financed by millions in venture capital, so not even on iOS or Android is the size of the user base that important, as the users are not their source of money. Considering that Snapchat is, technically at least, a rather trivial app, it's hard to see why they wouldn't provide one for WP. A good WP developer could put a Snapchat client together in two or three months... tops. Heck Snapchat could even designate 6snap as their official app and be done with it... no work and no investments required. For all those reasons, the "too little market share" argument just doesn't fly here.
    I'd be far more willing to believe in business related concerns, like them wanting MS to invest 20 million in return for their "cooperation".
    OK that makes sense. I suppose that the number of WP users is few enough that it's worth it to Snapchat to hold out for a payout. Not to mention, Microsoft has paid (bribes!) for other apps, so there is a precedent.
    a5cent and xandros9 like this.
    12-23-2014 09:21 AM
  14. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I don't use snapchat. I actually think it's rather lame...

    Signed anyway!
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-23-2014 10:13 AM
  15. Montpbm's Avatar
    Where to go to sign?
    12-23-2014 10:14 AM
  16. lrn2board's Avatar
    I say screw snap chat, if they want to be assholes and remove third party apps for an OS that doesn't even have their official one, I say good riddance! Cyber dust is better anyway and is available, officially, on all OS systems!
    12-23-2014 10:16 AM
  17. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    Where to go to sign?
    Here.. Also share as much as possible..

    https://www.change.org/p/snapchat-ma...-windows-phone
    12-23-2014 10:24 AM
  18. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    I say screw snap chat, if they want to be assholes and remove third party apps for an OS that doesn't even have their official one, I say good riddance! Cyber dust is better anyway and is available, officially, on all OS systems!
    But its difficult getting frnds to screw it too just bcoz one of their frnds(me) is no longer using it.
    12-23-2014 10:25 AM
  19. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    Contact evan@snapchat.com! That's the CEOs email address, I think we should all email him and fill his inbox and tell him that we deserved to be treated equally with Android and iOS!
    This is good! Thanks!
    12-23-2014 10:26 AM
  20. rhapdog's Avatar
    It's important to support the cause because snapchat it's a must have app for many people, specially teens in the US.
    Okay, now that's disturbing. I was actually hoping it was being used by consenting adults. This sounds like a service that encourages illegal behavior. Now I KNOW people are taking screen shots of the snaps and forwarding them to the internet. Every teen boy would just for bragging rights to his friends.

    Now I've got more than just abstinence to talk to my daughters about, there's this sort of behavior before I'll ever let them have a phone.
    12-23-2014 10:32 AM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    I tried getting people moving in that direction. I was dissuaded by the argument it is like asking a crack addict to give up crack since the dealer doesn't live in his neighborhood. He'd rather move than go through withdrawal.

    Microsoft itself does have a replacement service https://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/s...c-1e81b8b01789 but I don't see the outraged rushing to join that.
    That analogy, while workable, doesn't really fit since anyone can use crack by themselves.
    Snapchat is a network, it needs users, people you know - and these people probably aren't going to "move" or switch to some other service just for one or two friends. They'd probably sooner suggest one get a new phone.

    I'd try pulling another social network analogy, but I feel it'd be lost on you, being averse to them as a whole IIRC.

    What's easier? or more accurately, whats going to happen?
    Convincing people to switch from the incumbent service almost everyone uses?
    or you, just one or two people, yielding?

    sure! lets switch to WindUp and send pictures to ourselves! It'll be great!
    Put that on other platforms, and then maybe something will happen.
    Even if that happens, it wont work for many. It'll work OK for me, but it wont cut it for more social people.
    12-23-2014 10:43 AM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It cost close to 100 grand to create a mobile app...
    Is there some link to verify that figure?

    I find it hard to believe that all these indie types are spending even 1/10th of that ($10,000) to get an App made and published, including valuing their time at $25 an hour.
    __________

    Reprinted from another thread...

    Their lack of support for anything other than iOS or Android is a statement...

    My bank has a wonderful and fully functional Windows Phone App. It is a real, nuts and bolts, from the ground up Windows Phone App and not just a web wrapper. How much money do you think my bank makes off this App? ZERO. Not off the App directly. They make money from me using their service.

    How much money does SnapperChop make off their App? I bet it is ZERO. They make money somehow and it is most likely advertising seen while using their service. These social media outfits, when they approach the size SnappitupChuck has reached quite possibly make more money each quarter than my bank does. And it's a large national bank.

    It's not about cost - vs - return... It is a statement.

    How valued as a user of my bank's services do I feel knowing they have a WP App? Hugely valued.

    ​How valued do you feel as a user of SnapChat right about now? I'm going to guess, not valued at all.
    12-23-2014 10:43 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    ^13 to 17 year olds constitute snapchat's largest demographic. It's a minority that uses the service for graphical sexting purposes, but a minority of 100 million people is still a lot of people. Some of them unknowingly become naive and underage producers of child porn. Worse, there are a million ways to get around the time limits, even without a camera.
    rhapdog and xandros9 like this.
    12-23-2014 10:58 AM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Snapchat is a network, it needs users, people you know - and these people probably aren't going to "move" or switch to some other service just for one or two friends. They'd probably sooner suggest one get a new phone.
    This is my opinion as well. Out of a group of 30 friends, one of them on average will have a Windows Phone. If I would ask my group of 29 friends to change to a different service because I can't use Snapchat, they'd probably laugh at me and tell me to get a new phone. That's what I would do if I was one of the 29.

    Them asking me to change platforms is no more ridiculous than me asking them to change to a Snapchat alternative. Besides Snapchat, there are probably other apps that I would have complained about missing.
    12-23-2014 11:04 AM
  25. UchilHasmit's Avatar
    12-23-2014 11:11 AM
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