Why all the backlash against 1020!

[theefman]

So lets get this straight, the camera tech in the L1020, which gives you visibly and tangible benefits in your final picture is gimmicky but quad cores, which even desktop computers dont take advantage of, and 1080p screens which are marginally better at such small screen sizes are not?

So my question is, can anyone give a practical example of how those quads, GB's of memory and 1080p tangibly make a smartphone better than phones that dont compared to the actual benefit of having more detailed, vivid, reframable pictures vs the "Ultrapixels" of HTC and the 8 cores of the S4? Anyone?

And what is fascinating as well is that when Nokia announced the 808 last year EVERYONE moaned that it wasnt running WP, now it is and its even better with 6 lenses, OIS, BSI and STILL people moan? Isn't it obvious its not about the phone itself but just Nokia bashing?

 

[NaNoo123]

The trouble is regardless of how well wp8 runs, hardware will be considered old tech by most journalist, and many potential customers.
Old tech running well in very low to middle end products will be praised, but it will always be mentioned in a negative light in the higher end products. Old tech similar price range phones.

Be nice if they were all compared just on benchmarks but that is not the case. (although i don't know how good or bad, say browser test would do on our current wp mobiles)

There does seem to be a ground swell of negativity towards MS, but i don't think its as simple as the evil m$ of the past, they had done well changing a lot of that view, but recently they seemed to have mis stepped a lot with pr, messaging, communication.

Even quad core argument is down to messaging.

For a mid cycle refresh of the flag ship product, a newer soc would've been 'nice'.

 

[NaNoo123]

@therfman
I'm sure there's plenty of benchmarks of how quad core does in comparison to dual if you google/bing it.
It will all be on android though none on wp lol
How much if any difference it will make on wp at the moment we don't know.

But yea do agree with you in essence.

 

[theefman]

@therfman
I'm sure there's plenty of benchmarks of how quad core does in comparison to dual if you google/bing it.
It will all be on android though none on wp lol
How much if any difference it will make on wp at the moment we don't know. 

But yea do agree with you in essence.

Benchmarks are numbers on paper, have there been any tests on real world usage of high end WP's vs the quad core devices and WP's were found wanting? Thats all I personally need to make a choice, and while it does look good in reviews and paper comparisons is it a huge magnitude of difference in actual performance? WP will get those upgrades this year, this is well known but personally I consider the camera improvements more important than what those upgrades will bring. I dont think they will offer the leap in performance the 1020 actually does in picture quality.

 

[Jay Bennett]

To post a constructive comment rather than my last one, it's more about the fact that a lot of journalism now, particularly tech journalism, is cynical. Whether or not that's because of the audience they're going after rather than the fact that it gets more hits by generating arguments in the comments is a different matter to be discussed another time. But the truth is that this reaction of immediately doubting technology rather than being enthusiastic for it has become general practice in many 'publications' now. And whilst it generates hits it will only grow, vote with your web traffic

 

[mpt15]

I agree with Jay. Here's an article filled with immediate doubt:
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2013-07/problem-windows-phone

 

[JustToClarify]

lol yea right were is ur evidence huh ??

huh? Evidence is right on the Nokia site(1/1.5" is the size of 1020 sensor), 808 still has sensor with ~50% bigger area and with FSI technology used in all professional DSLRs. 1020 has BSI sensor, now go and ask any professional what he thinks about BSI sensors.

 

[MazoMark]

Keep in mind that every review of the 1020 you've seen so far is probably written by someone who's barely held the phone, let alone used it. I have always believed there are only two review worth reading for Windows phones - WP Central and Anandtech. I hope Anandtech does a thorough review of the camera as they have the engineering chops to really separate fact from fiction.

I think the negative reactions stem from two things. A lot of people, for some reason, expected some big jump in processor along with the new camera. That didn't make any sense to me since current software can't handle a quad core CPU. That won't come until Blue releases. Second, and I think major point, is AT&T price of $299. If the 1020 was priced at $199 or even $249, I think the initial reaction would be completely different. Unfortunately, that is one of big negatives of carrier exclusives - no competition means they can gouge on pricing if they choose.

I'm not sure if 1020 is for me, but I appreciate how Nokia is pushing the envelope as fast and far as WP software will permit. I hope a lot of this trickles down to the 9XX series and I look forward to seeing what they do next.

 

[NaNoo123]

Benchmarks are numbers on paper, have there been any tests on real world usage of high end WP's vs the quad core devices and WP's were found wanting? Thats all I personally need to make a choice, and while it does look good in reviews and paper comparisons is it a huge magnitude of difference in actual performance? WP will get those upgrades this year, this is well known but personally I consider the camera improvements more important than what those upgrades will bring. I dont think they will offer the leap in performance the 1020 actually does in picture quality.

trouble with not using benchmarks, is that people can just say, wow the quad core is so much faster, i used it and wow! Just because they expect it to be faster, it may not even be faster.
when you asked if quad core makes a difference, like i said I'm sure it does on the android platform. (hence the lol which i think you may have missed)

How does current wp measure up to android?
I reckon all things considered it compares favourably, but that's just my opinion, and I'm not a journalist that the general public is getting information from. Guess you would have to google unless someone else has done any proper side by side tests....

We may believe dual core is fine (and i never said it wasn't) but preaching to the chore isn't the issue. Its not like those bloggers and journalists haven't used wp.
I don't write them all off as being fanboys, its just a shame they cant say its amazing what wp does with dual cores compared to others.

As said by others seem to be negative tones by default.

 

[AiponGkooja]

Keep in mind that every review of the 1020 you've seen so far is probably written by someone who's barely held the phone, let alone used it. I have always believed there are only two review worth reading for Windows phones - WP Central and Anandtech. I hope Anandtech does a thorough review of the camera as they have the engineering chops to really separate fact from fiction.

I think the negative reactions stem from two things. A lot of people, for some reason, expected some big jump in processor along with the new camera. That didn't make any sense to me since current software can't handle a quad core CPU. That won't come until Blue releases. Second, and I think major point, is AT&T price of $299. If the 1020 was priced at $199 or even $249, I think the initial reaction would be completely different. Unfortunately, that is one of big negatives of carrier exclusives - no competition means they can gouge on pricing if they choose.

I'm not sure if 1020 is for me, but I appreciate how Nokia is pushing the envelope as fast and far as WP software will permit. I hope a lot of this trickles down to the 9XX series and I look forward to seeing what they do next.

Even Anandtech seemed determined to be uninterested by this phone. I hope Klug is fair with it if/when he actually gets a long-term run with one. If the last podcast is any indication, he of all people should be able to appreciate what Nokia has done. I get the impression that he'd still rather have a P&S camera running android than the 1020 though...

 

[Coolknight1968]

But some criticism is fair. Nokia would sell more Android phones. The HTC One is nicer made. The S4 is very capable. The new norm is Full HD and quad core. How about a Android based WLAN only camera version of the 1020... It is not a phone... But a camera

 

[AiponGkooja]

But some criticism is fair. Nokia would sell more Android phones. The HTC One is nicer made. The S4 is very capable. The new norm is Full HD and quad core. How about a Android based WLAN only camera version of the 1020... It is not a phone... But a camera

That's true. For Nokia's sake, they'd be better off making phones for Android as well. I hope they don't go under simply for pushing Windows Phone exclusively. I'm happy that it gives WP something that nobody else has, and should be good for WP growth, but for Nokia it's like fighting two battles at once. I would be sad if they lost because of it.

 

[theefman]

FYI the S4 Zoom seems to be a bit crap: Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom review: a messy marriage of smartphone and camera.

 

[gkrew]

haters gonna hate. That is all!

 

[NaNoo123]

@thefman
You beat me to it, was just about to post link

They didn't mention that its 'only dual core', apart from its sluggish, but didn't keep going on about it, be interesting to see if they find the need to on the l1020 review, they did mention the display res, but didn't get too hung up on it considering.

For once the comments seem to be pro l1020 hahaha

I want to see the l1020 reviewed against what it's competition is, things like the zoom, etc.

 

[theefman]

Yes, will be interesting to see how they review the 1020 in comparison.

 

[LMZR]

I just can't believe the amount of negative press I am reading against the 1020! Here's a couple of comments from online:

'no one wants an amazing camera, they want apps'

'Nokia is being held back by WP8'

'less gimmicky megapixel counts, more cores (quad core)'

'the camera is great, but I want a phone I'm not ashamed of'

'they are so far behind Samsung S4 and HTC One'

'it is only just more aesthetically pleasing than the Samsung S4 Galaxy Zoom!!!'

The last one really annoyed me, lol! Nokia are offering choice...what's wrong with that? They aren't forcing anyone to buy this phone. If anything, it should help people decide on other Nokia phones...'they made a 41mp camera, so this {insert any other Lumia} must have a decent camera for the price range'!

It's a sad day when some companies get praised for the worst truly gimmicky tricks up their sleeves...and true innovators get kicked to the curb!

Different Horses for Different Courses.

Whoever said the S4 Zoom is JUST more ugly than the L1020 needs to have a re-education.

FYI the S4 Zoom seems to be a bit crap: Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom review: a messy marriage of smartphone and camera.

Samsung is officially the North Korea of the Smartphone Market.

They'll sell because of the name "Samsung"

 

[Leonardo Alves]

I just can't believe the amount of negative press I am reading against the 1020! Here's a couple of comments from online:

'no one wants an amazing camera, they want apps'

No one wants camera? lol, but if you look, one of the most famous social networks of today is instagram. And in the most famous, everyone keep posting and sharing photos and videos.

'Nokia is being held back by WP8'

Maybe yes, maybe not. I really love WP8, I know have so much things to improve, but, everyone have a start.

'less gimmicky megapixel counts, more cores (quad core)'

Who needs a quad core if you have WP8 ? Cores for what ? Android needs a quad-core for being too heavy

'the camera is great, but I want a phone I'm not ashamed of'

All lumias have one of the best designs we ever saw. The camera really was not very pretty, but the advantages outweigh this

'they are so far behind Samsung S4 and HTC One'

Lol? No comments

'it is only just more aesthetically pleasing than the Samsung S4 Galaxy Zoom!!!'

aesthetically only? Lol Galaxy S4 Zoom is nothing near the 1020.

The only thing I think Nokia need to change is about the memory. Why the hell the smartphone with the best camera of the world, dont put a space for SD Card in the phone? When every single photo has 5Mp or more ?

 

[psudotechzealot]

They(Android & IPhone fanboys) don't want WP8 to succeed. Or Microsoft for that matter.

 

[Arjun KR]

'less gimmicky megapixel counts, more cores (quad core)'

isn't more cores a gimmicky number :-/