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  1. Queen Kong1's Avatar
    I can't say I agree with that. I have an iPhone 6 and a Galaxy S6 edge, and just got done ordering the Note 5 ( selling the S6 edge)
    But, IF windows had a phone that had the specs like the Note 5 (fast, killer cam, 2k screen etc.) AND I could get ALL my same apps I use on those phones with the SAME quality as iOS apps, I would be all over Windows Phone.
    Windows Phone (the operating system) is AWESOME. it's the app gap that kills me. and the garbage apps (quality).

    I actually Have a Nokia 1520 but it just sits around collecting dust.
    someone said that most people only use a few apps out of those billion apps iOS and Android have, and that is absolutely correct.
    I run around 25 apps on my phone (aside from preinstalled apps) and that is a really Low number compared to a LOT of people I know who have 60-80 apps. So Yes, those other 1.4 billion apps are just junk to me.
    But I want to have the apps I WANT. I don't want many, but out of the 25 I install, windows has 2-3, and those apps are terrible when compared to the iOS/Android version.
    If i had S6 and New Note lots of $$$$ I prob would stick to S6 lol..they are flagship, Wish i could afford one past $100. Reason i went WP is cheap and i get the IOS experience. Try an android at budget price, all you get is hang hang !! lag!! I'm sure I'm not the only one one on budget.
    08-21-2015 07:09 AM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    I can't say I agree with that. I have an iPhone 6 and a Galaxy S6 edge, and just got done ordering the Note 5 ( selling the S6 edge)
    But, IF windows had a phone that had the specs like the Note 5 (fast, killer cam, 2k screen etc.) AND I could get ALL my same apps I use on those phones with the SAME quality as iOS apps, I would be all over Windows Phone.
    I didn't say closing the app gap couldn't convince you to switch. I said closing the app gap would not convince a notable number of people to switch. I very deliberately avoided saying doing so wouldn't convince anybody to switch.

    You're assuming that you, and the majority of the smartphone buying public, are swayed by the same features/arguments. That is unfortunately wrong.

    Just moving to something a person is unfamiliar with will deter many. Realizing they may want to rethink some of the services they use (iTunes, Hangouts, GoogleDrive, etc) will deter most from even considering WP without being given at least one very compelling reason to do so. For 95% of people, the ability to use the same apps they already use is not a compelling reason.

    Without that compelling reason, for the overwhelming majority of people, whether WP has an app gap or not doesn't matter.
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    08-21-2015 08:04 AM
  3. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I didn't say closing the app gap couldn't convince you to switch. I said closing the app gap would not convince a notable number of people to switch. I very deliberately avoided saying doing so wouldn't convince anybody to switch.

    You're assuming that you, and the majority of the smartphone buying public, are swayed by the same features/arguments. That is unfortunately wrong.

    Just moving to something a person is unfamiliar with will deter many. Realizing they may want to rethink some of the services they use (iTunes, Hangouts, GoogleDrive, etc) will deter most from even considering WP without being given at least one very compelling reason to do so. For 95% of people, the ability to use the same apps they already use is not a compelling reason.

    Without that compelling reason, for the overwhelming majority of people, whether WP has an app gap or not doesn't matter.
    Well never know till windows closes the gap!
    We can all say it will or it wouldn't but at the end till it happens no one can say! Closing the gap will definitely will get more on board than how it is now!
    It will do more good than bad! No we wont get the all the user on to windows closing the gap but well get more than we have now!
    08-21-2015 09:40 AM
  4. Doohickie's Avatar
    As someone who just switched from WP to Android, the app gap is as follows: You see an ad for, say, an American Airlines app with several cool features. You look for the link for WP and.... it's not there, only Google and iPhone.

    Or my friends all track their bicycle rides with Strava, and compete with each other on King of the Mountain segments, but there isn't a Strava app for WP.

    So in those two examples you see two classifications of apps that are frequently missing from WP: official corporate apps, and popular social apps. After trying WP for 2 years (as my first smartphone), I got tired of getting left out.

    A month into my Android experience, all that bitterness is melting away.

    Until last night. Last night I discovered my Android phone is not capable of supporting SMS messaging over my car's Bluetooth device; my WP was. All I can do is take and receive calls, no texting.

    So when I look at the tradeoff, there's one minus for Android, but so far virtually everything else, especially app availability, is plus.
    08-21-2015 09:57 AM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Well never know till windows closes the gap!
    We can all say it will or it wouldn't but at the end till it happens no one can say! Closing the gap will definitely will get more on board than how it is now!
    It will do more good than bad! No we wont get the all the user on to windows closing the gap but well get more than we have now!
    True, we can't predict the future. That doesn't mean things like history, trajectories and probabilities are completely meaningless though. :-/

    You might as well ask, why go to school? Why learn a job? Why put money in the bank? Why invest in anything? The future is unknowable so expectations of the future are meaningless... that's ridiculous. It's okay to have expectations of the future, particularly if those expectations have been verified over and over again in the past.

    Nobody said closing the app gap will do any harm. If the future is anything like the past however, MS can play as much catch-up as they want, it won't change the market share situation. Closing the app gap, at its core, is just another catch-up feature. It will stem some of the losses, but it can't notably contribute to market share gain. Don't confuse that with me saying it's not a worthwhile goal however. It is. It's just not what will help WP out of the muck.

    We can't say this with 100% certainty, but it's extremely unlikely to be otherwise for the reasons mentioned.
    08-21-2015 10:03 AM
  6. paulxxwall's Avatar
    True, we can't predict the future. That doesn't mean things like history, trajectories and probabilities are completely meaningless though. :-/

    You might as well ask, why go to school? Why learn a job? Why put money in the bank? Why invest in anything? The future is unknowable so expectations of the future are meaningless... that's ridiculous. It's okay to have expectations of the future, particularly if those expectations have been verified over and over again in the past.

    Nobody said closing the app gap will do any harm. If the future is anything like the past however, MS can play as much catch-up as they want, it won't change the market share situation. Closing the app gap, at its core, is just another catch-up feature. It will stem some of the losses, but it can't notably contribute to market share gain. Don't confuse that with me saying it's not a worthwhile goal however. It is. It's just not what will help WP out of the muck.

    We can't say this with 100% certainty, but it's extremely unlikely to be otherwise for the reasons mentioned.
    yes true as well but history shows that the majority of user will go were the apps,features,and premium phones. Not all but the majority. At least 96% of the majority. But you have to not rule out anything! Throw all idea on the table. Close the app gap see what it does. If I doesn't work no worries they tried . We will have all the apps and critics will have something else to crab at WP about . Maybe all the apps will be game changer maybe not even ms is trying to close the gap for apps . What game changer beside app will help gain shares? Better cameras? history will show you that you can have strapped the Hubble telescope to a Nokia ......and they wont sell well. Features ......i can call and text no problem. My conversation with every one I've talked to know WP has " no apps". I know different but something has to give . If I go to school...i might learn something.......if I got to work....i might get paid....you never till you try
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    08-21-2015 11:44 AM
  7. Covfam's Avatar
    Personally my wife and i are leaving windows and not because we didn't love windows phone, we love the UI and smoothness of the OS and our customizability, but our problem is we are heavily invested into Amazon and most of amazons services aren't available and the few that are they are very buggy and sometimes haven't been updated for a year, and for my wife she is a physician and every single major medical application and electronic medical records system work with IOS and some are slowly moving into android...but for windows phone ....NONE all you have are hundreds of menstrual cycle apps or fertility apps. neither of us use any social apps other than facebook to keep up with family, and we don't use trendy flavor of the month stuff, but lack of any real Amazon support and lack or medical professional support, we are forced to ditch our Icons and get either an android phone or iphone as disappointing as it is. im disappointed that microsoft hasn't done everything to ensure they would have real amazon support after these last few years or a few of the major medical app for the medical industry.
    08-21-2015 05:35 PM
  8. Mindi B's Avatar
    I feel like the main reason for most people to not get WP or switchto another OS is the absence of applications and I understand it. I myself am frustrated by the absence of (what else than) Snapchat. While all my friends are snapchatting all I can do is look at my screen hoping that one day I will be able to join them. But that's not what I wanted to talk about.

    Few days back there was a leak of information about project Astoria and people talking about getting their desired Android applications to work on W10M. I was excited about the news, so I decided to join the crowd and try some Android apps on my own. I did some research before and found out that Snapchat does't work (I might be wrong), so I went to all my friends with android phones and asked about apps I should try on my W10M.

    After about an hour of disscussion no one could suggest a reasonable app for me to install. The reason is simple, I already had them. I already had native apps ( like Uber, Instagram, Shazam), unofficial clients (6tag, 6tin, Telescope) or good alternatives.

    For sure there is plenty of apps missing (I can't see any Couchsurfing app, etc.) and there are people needing those apps, but I think we have fairly good base.

    I think the reason for people thinking we don't have apps is that they heard it somewhere and/or they just don't know. For most of the users I'm sure there is more than plenty of apps.

    So, is there really that huge app gap everyone is talking about?
    I can't believe this thread actually exists. Is the OP for REAL???!!!!

    I was on WP since day ONE, and finally this year I switched over to iPhone because I was sick of being a second class mobile citizen using third party apps because the original developers have no interest in WP (that WP even needs to have third party apps is humiliating in itself).

    Every time I look in the newspaper, there's App Store and Google Play. Windows Store? Nowhere to be seen.

    Every time I see an advertisement at a bus stop, there's App Store and Google Play. Windows Store? Nowhere to be seen.

    Every time go the cinema and see advertisements before the movie, there's App Store and Google Play. Windows Store? Nowhere to be seen.

    The list goes on and on and on. The app gap for WP is incredibly HUGE. And it's not about having one hundred apps on your phone or a million available in the store, but it's about having specific services available that you want, and knowing that your mobile with those available services can work seamlessly with the requirements of todays modern life. While these services exist for iOS and Android, pretty much all those developers have turned their backs on WP / W10M.

    I left WP very very angry. I still feel angry, because I didn't want to go. I absolutely LOVE WP / W10M with all my heart, and am very excited about the new Lumias coming this year. I miss Lumia Camera, I miss my Live Tiles, I miss the speed, the rock solid stability, and ease of use and light years ahead feel of WP.

    On iOS I feel like I've stepped back in time to old technology. BUT... I have SERVICES to integrate with the real world, I have access to a TRUE ECOSYSTEM. Services for EVERYTHING I can imagine. WP does NOT. Flat out and simply, it does NOT. And a brilliant OS with good hardware is not enough to cut it in the mobile world of today. You need SERVICES to be able to be effective, whether your personal preference is for apps or not, it's simply the truth of it.

    And sadly, this app gap looks no closer to be getting positive momentum than it did 5 years ago. In fact, I would say the picture was better about 2 years ago than it is now. Now the market just isn't interested at a Windows mobile solution, they've moved on and are ignoring it entirely. And it's MS itself which is to blame.

    I feel pained every time I read of WP users who spend month after month, year after year, HOPING for things to change, and being given constant broken promises by MSFT, one after the next. And then becoming so desperate that they claim in resignation "oh, well I don't need apps after all". Trust me, if you had access to ecosystem which was active and filled with services, you wouldn't imagine your mobile life without it, it brings your phone to LIFE.

    For all of the brilliance WP has, it's an awfully painful stream of failures and potential that was never met. And now, being reinvented for the THIRD time in 5 years, a Windows mobile solution just doesn't look like it's going to gain traction any more.

    It's exhausting seeing threads like this, seeing constant news articles implying a glimmer of hope. I feel sorry for the remaining people on WP / W10M hanging on for dear life for things to pickup, and they just don't. And even I keep on eye on things, hoping too that I finally get a reason to switch back to a Lumia, but the truth is, Windows has no mobile ecosystem to offer, no one out there wants to contribute to delivering services through it.

    So, I waltz on with iOS. At least I know its ecosystem is thriving, vibrant, and constantly growing all the time.
    08-21-2015 06:14 PM
  9. waeras's Avatar
    But I want to keep my Microsoft services (I don't want to switch to any Apple service) and I want my photos and videos automatically uploaded to OneDrive after I make them. This part does not work properly on iOS - mainly because Apple does not allow 3rd party apps to do automatic things.
    This is offt topic, but OneDrive automatically uploads photos and videos from my iPhone, sometimes faster than my Lumia does it (and sometimes much slower than the Lumia, no idea what's going on behind the scenes with OneDrive). Always works though, maybe I'm just lucky, but no other iPhone users in my family has had any problems with the automatic OneDrive upload either.

    (Only time OneDrive has failed to upload photos for me through the years has been on the desktop.)
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    08-21-2015 06:18 PM
  10. Penny_1's Avatar
    Mindy, that was a very real and cathartic post, for me to read and probably for you to get out as well.

    Thank you.
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    08-21-2015 07:51 PM
  11. Rooks308's Avatar
    I'll chime in as well. I am an iPhone user who loves mobile tech and so own a few different smartphones of various OS's. I have every iPhone since the 3GS (well, except the 4). I have two android phones, and now 2 Windows Phones (635 and now the 640). I LOVE the windows Mobile OS and to use it as a phone/email/web surfing device it is WONDERFUL. The problem is the lack of important and quality apps. The people who say there is no gap are very very likely not really aware of what life is like on the other platforms.

    As mentioned above, you RARELY ever see the Windows Store mentioned anywhere when an app is advertised. The apps that actually ARE made for Windows Phone are usually laughably less robust. Yes there are 3rd party alternatives to some of these apps, and yes you can pin a website to your Live Tiles, but lets be real. The quality for the vast majority of those apps is terrible.

    I am very much looking forward to Project Astoria and Islandwood because to me this could really save the day for Windows Phone.

    I actually started making a spreadsheet of all of my frequently used apps on my iPhone and their equivalents on Windows Phone. On the surface I was initially impressed that most of my apps were available in some form. When I started using the apps I was frustrated by the missing features rampant throughout the apps. I don't blame the developers as I know they have to be responsible about how they allocate their resources but I really hope with universal apps and Windows 10 Mobile that things change in a huge way.

    I'll certainly be using my 640 alongside my iPhone as I monitor how the platforms advances but I'm just not sure if I can leave the iOS ecosystem for WP. I could (but wouldn't want to) switch to Android, and Lolipop is a step in the right direction, but I really really want Windows Phone to succeed.
    08-21-2015 08:41 PM
  12. Mindi B's Avatar
    Yes I guess it was cathartic, but I'm just being honest.

    Look I'm not trying to bash WP / W10M, I'm one of the biggest fans of the platform there is. I still pay more attention to WP than I do to iOS, and I love my iPhone now tbh.

    But I'd relentlessly hammer all my friends at work about WP when I had my Lumia 1520, that thing was like a trophy to me, I was sad when I finally sold it earlier this year.

    I badly want WP / W10M to succeed, we need a third player in this game. But MSFT has totally screwed the users and the potential of their incredible mobile platform. I'm furious about that. Who read the furious rants by Paul Thurrott in the past? I can totally understand his frustration, and now even he has backed away from WP somewhat.

    But as other people here have posted, most WP / W10M users don't realise how rich the experience of having available services is like on other platforms, as life on WP is very desolate. The mobile future of WP is not a positive one. Things aren't looking good at all, and the days of trying to remain optimistic about it are gone. Moving to another platform has really made me see just how dire WP's future is. It's hanging on by a very thin thread which is about to snap.

    This is the third reinvention in 5 years. Think about that. It's RIDICULOUS and outright embarrassing. No wonder the rest of the industry doesn't take it seriously at all.
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    08-21-2015 09:02 PM
  13. RaRa85's Avatar
    This is a needed thread and a reality for Windows Phone fans. I left Windows Phone last October due to no official flagship support via carrier exclusives made without my carrier, T-Mobile. I had already purchased the Samsung Focus, HTC Titan, Lumia 920 and 1020 through some other source and relied on unlocking them to use on my carrier. Mostly without issues I might add. But when Microsoft cancelled the McLaren and I realized the abundant availability of competing phones on T-Mobile I thought to myself I'll test out some other flagships until Microsoft's vision for the future become clear to the public. For the record I believe this is Microsoft's biggest and most realistic plan with Windows 10. So I got the Sony Xperia Z3 which I'm still using. Fantastic device in almost every way(I don't like the omission of manual controls that Sony has chosen not to unlock but I digress lol). Truth is the most of the apps I use are comparable in both ecosystems with of course a few that are missing on Windows Phone. For my personal needs it's not so much of an app gap as there is a feature and quality gap. Just about every app that is available on both Android and Windows Phone are better on Android. There's just no way around it. I will include screen shots later on with brief explanations of missing features in the WP version. And I'll show a few of the apps that are pretty huge for me that are missing altogether. I am very hopeful and confident that Microsoft has publicly and unapologetically admitted to this shortcoming with the app recompilers but I'll take a lot of competing apps in the Store as opposed to what we have. I appreciate an app that flat out works and is beautifully designed over a knock off third party app that's lacking in features and updates. I will be returning to WP this fall with the 950/950XL (whichever comes to T-Mobile) and I am prepared to take the hit in the app situation seeing as how I can live without the missing ones. But if the apps do not come and the market share does not grow(we'll never be as large as Android and iOS but that's OK as long as we don't hover around 3% for our entirety) I would much rather stay on WP until Microsoft pulls the plug than switch to a different OS in which case it would be iOS since all features listed in an update on Android (ex. Camera2 APIs that enabled manual shutter, focus, and RAW capture since Lollipop 5.0 and is still missing in Sony's current version for the Z3 and won't be included in the next update) are not guaranteed to be included in the update even for new devices. For me Android's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness. Anyway I'm getting off track, but the app gap (personally I say quality more than quantity) does exist but I believe universal apps and new hardware will bring the heavy hitters missing in action over to our Store in the end.

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    08-21-2015 09:15 PM
  14. RaRa85's Avatar
    The mobile future of WP is not a positive one. Things aren't looking good at all, and the days of trying to remain optimistic about it are gone. Moving to another platform has really made me see just how dire WP's future is. It's hanging on by a very thin thread which is about to snap.

    This is the third reinvention in 5 years. Think about that. It's RIDICULOUS and outright embarrassing. No wonder the rest of the industry doesn't take it seriously at all.
    Well I agree with you somewhat I don't think it's all doom and gloom. I simply say let's see if Windows 10 Mobile catches on with the new hardware and the rise of Windows 10 and them working hand in hand. We should have a pretty good gauge of what the future looks like by next summer/fall and if Windows Phone still has not garnered attention, sales, and apps with Microsoft's efforts to lure developers, then we can say the future of Windows 10 Mobile isn't a positive one. But I think Microsoft should get this last chance to redeem themselves for their fans and for the naysayers. I really don't want a two way race between Android and iOS. I hope it doesn't come to that.


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    08-21-2015 09:23 PM
  15. chmun77's Avatar
    I think is time we WP fans to face the hard cold facts that app gaps on Windows Phone will NEVER improve. Now, with making of Universal apps already available for Windows 10, do we see or hear about any improvements for the missing gaps so far? Why Facebook for WP is no longer updating? Why ain't we getting the FB app from Windows store? Why Instagram is not updating as well? The only worth celebrating is the latest update of Whatsapp that bring the WP version to be near on par as iOS / Android version.

    I took this photo this morning while going to the supermarket near my neighborhood. When will we be able to see the 3rd option labelled "Windows Store"?

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    We are missing apps like this in our daily lives. Not just those major ones. Even having the major ones are not as well polished as the iOS / Android counterparts. I see Candy Crush is already ported over from iOS version, but where are the rest of the apps? Why the app store for Windows is still so quiet?? What's the hell is going on? MS already provided the options and solutions but devs are just not giving a damn. Why? Reason is simple. Why should they be spending efforts, even the slightest conversion required, on Universal apps? Also, as a Windows user, I can enjoy the same cloud services available on other platforms as well, with much better app selections. What perks can the users enjoy if they want to take up Windows Phone? Better camera? Not any more.
    08-21-2015 09:27 PM
  16. RaRa85's Avatar
    I think things are quiet as they gear up for the OFFICIAL release of Windows 10 Mobile. I'm not going to throw in the towel quite so soon before the latest version of Microsoft's mobile vision comes to life. And remember Microsoft never promised we'd get apps the same time as Android and iOS. That will happen after and if Windows 10 Mobile gains significant attraction. Then we'll see "such and such app" for Android, iOS and Windows Mobile.

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    08-21-2015 09:33 PM
  17. Mindi B's Avatar
    Well I agree with you somewhat I don't think it's all doom and gloom. I simply say let's see if Windows 10 Mobile catches on with the new hardware and the rise of Windows 10 and them working hand in hand. We should have a pretty good gauge of what the future looks like by next summer/fall and if Windows Phone still has not garnered attention, sales, and apps with Microsoft's efforts to lure developers, then we can the future of Windows 10 Mobile isn't a positive one. But I think Microsoft should get this last chance to redeem themselves for their fans and for the naysayers. I really don't want a two way race between Android and iOS. I hope it doesn't come to that.
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    I agree with you. The problem though, is that we've already said these sort of things before. With WP 7.5, 8.0 and 8.1. And now we're doing it again with W10M.

    It's quite sad that the reality for WP users is this kind of state of affairs - you guys are getting continuously screwed over by no developer support, no support from MSFT in terms of marketing, constantly changing roadmaps for the platform that never fulfil any plans that are announced. That's a very uncool thing to do to your customers. How much can they take getting a constantly half-baked product?

    I think is time we WP fans to face the hard cold facts that app gaps on Windows Phone will NEVER improve. Now, with making of Universal apps already available for Windows 10, do we see or hear about any improvements for the missing gaps so far? Why Facebook for WP is no longer updating? Why ain't we getting the FB app from Windows store? Why Instagram is not updating as well? The only worth celebrating is the latest update of Whatsapp that bring the WP version to be near on par as iOS / Android version.
    THIS. Exactly.

    On another forum I was having a similar discussion to what's going on in this thread here. And there's another thing I'd like to point out:

    Windows evangelists are heralding universal apps to be a saviour, solely by numbers of critical mass. The problem is that desktop users aren't going to visit the store often because most desktop W10 users will continue using desktop as they always have - normal old school Win32 programs, not "apps".

    Also, another issue exists. MSFT should have had major developers demonstrate fully functional apps in the Store BEFORE launch, that would be 100% ready to go on launch day. But did we see anything like that? No. Have any major developers even announced anything? Nope. It's pin drop silence. Now this is for a universal app Store. So the same issue will be inherited by W10M.

    Instagram has been in beta for over 12 months. On iOS its updated almost every week. It has extra functions now that you guys probably haven't seen. Sure, you have 6tag. And no disrespect to Rudy, because he RULES, but it's still 6TAG NOT INSTAGRAM. It's like being content with a fake $2 watch from the markets, and what's worse is that you guys as WP users are being forced to put up with it.

    It's pretty clear now that after all this time, that dev's aren't "busy" - they're just not interested. MSFT would've reached out by now, but it's just not worth an investment by a dev to publish for WP / W10M.
    08-21-2015 09:49 PM
  18. RaRa85's Avatar
    Well I'm using both Android and I have my old Lumia 920 to play with Windows 10 Mobile on so I definitely know what's missing in apps like Instagram and Facebook. I'll include screen shots soon showing the lack of features in Windows Phone apps. I hope they just recompile the heck out of all the big name apps and bring them to the Store to replace the Windows Phone ones. Loyalists can complain all they want about modern designed apps but once they use the new ones they'll see what they're missing. If developers still don't bring their apps then we'll just have to take it as a loss as one of the most beautiful OSs rides off into the sunset. But I'm all in with Microsoft until the end and if that happens, I'll have no problem switching to iPhone. Speaking of which, just got the official port of Final Fantasy VII. That is just craziness and I may use T-Mobile's new Jump on Demand plan to get an iPhone just for that game until the flagships arrive. But even cases like this prove that the best apps are on other platforms.

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    08-21-2015 10:00 PM
  19. chmun77's Avatar
    Windows evangelists are heralding universal apps to be a saviour, solely by numbers of critical mass. The problem is that desktop users aren't going to visit the store often because most desktop W10 users will continue using desktop as they always have - normal old school Win32 programs, not "apps".

    Also, another issue exists. MSFT should have had major developers demonstrate fully functional apps in the Store BEFORE launch, that would be 100% ready to go on launch day. But did we see anything like that? No. Have any major developers even announced anything? Nope. It's pin drop silence. Now this is for a universal app Store. So the same issue will be inherited by W10M.

    Instagram has been in beta for over 12 months. On iOS its updated almost every week. It has extra functions now that you guys probably haven't seen. Sure, you have 6tag. And no disrespect to Rudy, because he RULES, but it's still 6TAG NOT INSTAGRAM. It's like being content with a fake $2 watch from the markets, and what's worse is that you guys as WP users are being forced to put up with it.

    It's pretty clear now that after all this time, that dev's aren't "busy" - they're just not interested. MSFT would've reached out by now, but it's just not worth an investment by a dev to publish for WP / W10M.
    You got it man! I'm enjoying Windows 10 on my desktop and notebook. But I'm not considering any Windows store apps at all! Why? Because we have the best desktop app of all - the browsers, regardless of Edge, Chrome, or Firefox. I can watch Youtube, do online banking, torrent, Facebook, Instagram, etc etc just with browsers! Why do I even care about other apps??? Even streaming radio is possible via the browsers. Or reading Manga / comics as well. It applies the same for Surface machines too.

    On Xbox?? I dunno about others but if I ever turn on my Xbox, the immediate action is to jump into the games. Why will I bother to watch Youtube or do Facebook/Instagram on a game console??!

    I don't use a single Rudy app, TBH. Why? Because I don't wanna use 3rd party apps. Beside Tubecast, which I really need a Youtube player on my Lumia, I don't fancy another 3rd party apps. It just makes me sad when I see so many official apps available on iOS/Android when the official titles on WP is just only a handful.

    For myself, enough is enough. I'm not getting any new W10 phones even when they are available. Yes, they have the latest hardware or even supporting Continuum (which I won't even use). But so what? The phone is useless if I cannot even do the simplest thing like online banking with the missing local banking apps for WP. I'm going to switch to iPhone when my contract is up this coming Oct. Yes, iOS is stale, but at the very least, I get to enjoy the most and do not need to worry about apps availability.
    08-21-2015 10:26 PM
  20. Doohickie's Avatar
    The problem is the lack of important and quality apps. The people who say there is no gap are very very likely not really aware of what life is like on the other platforms.
    Yep. I found this out when I switched to Android.

    As mentioned above, you RARELY ever see the Windows Store mentioned anywhere when an app is advertised. The apps that actually ARE made for Windows Phone are usually laughably less robust.
    I didn't realize how true this was until I switched. A stunning example is Strava. As a cyclist, I would like to use Strava to track my rides. Everyone else I know does, and they try to beat each other on King of the Mountain segments and stuff. I couldn't. I could use another app like endomondo or Runtastic (and I did), but over the two years I owned my WinPhone, they couldn't keep an accurate elevation; it would jump all over. So on a 30 mile ride it would tell me I climbed and descended 100,000 ft. And also I occasionally lost data because they would crash for no apparent reason and stop recording. I never settled on an app; I switched back and forth for the whole two years because there just isn't a good WP ride tracking app out there.

    Yes there are 3rd party alternatives to some of these apps, and yes you can pin a website to your Live Tiles, but lets be real. The quality for the vast majority of those apps is terrible.
    Amen.

    I am very much looking forward to Project Astoria and Islandwood because to me this could really save the day for Windows Phone.
    I'm kind of neutral. If WP is still around when I'm ready for a new phone, I'll look at it, probably scout the forums here, and see if the app gap still exists. If so, why go WP? I like the interface of the OS, but hate the disappointment when I can't find the apps I want.

    And remember Microsoft never promised we'd get apps the same time as Android and iOS. That will happen after and if Windows 10 Mobile gains significant attraction. Then we'll see "such and such app" for Android, iOS and Windows Mobile.
    I'm not holding my breath. What I observed over two years was that not only were apps not released concurrently with the other OSs, they weren't released at all. I got used to that, fine. Whatever. But then apps started getting worse. The rest of the world moved on and WP didn't keep up, so apps stopped working properly or at all. I had a sweet little American Airlines app and since I usually fly AA for work, it was a nice app to have. But then it stopped working. I tried deleting it and reinstalling it only to find it was no longer in the WP Store. AA simply gave up on it.

    Personally I think if MS wants WP to succeed, they should invest their own money to create the app ecosystem. So pay AA to develop their app. Pay Fiat Chrysler to develop their app. Pay Strava, etc. Continue to do so until they get enough market share for the developers to come and and do it. Maybe that's the whole point of Universal - it'll be close enough that developers won't mind putting a different wrapper on an iOS or Android app to make it WP friendly, and if the OEM developers won't do it, they can do it themselves relatively cheaply. Nice, if that's their plan, but they should have bit the bullet years ago. I think it may already be too late.
    08-22-2015 12:03 AM
  21. davedashftw's Avatar
    Apps might be all the rage now but they're a dead technology.As web technologies mature and mobile connection speeds improve you will not have apps.

    Where windows phone can be successful in the next 5-10 years while we wait for apps to die is the enterprise space. Forget consumer apps. Microsoft really dropped the ball here by trying to pander to consumers with Windows Phone and failing, while neglecting tight enterprise integration and functionality.
    With Windows 10 though and the success of the Surface tablet in the enterprise space, there is a much greater appetite to have a consistent experience for employees across devices, and Microsoft is well positioned finally with Windows 10 to capitalize on that. It's a travesty however that they are only just getting their ducks in a row now in this space, they're lucky Google and Apple are fairly incompetent competitors here.

    For a lot of services mobile websites do exist, so I think its more herd mentality than actually being at a large disadvantage when it comes to the 'app gap'. Yeah an app is more convenient - for now - until web catches up. And it will. No one wants to write code three times (web, iOS, Android*) and mobile demand is fuelling better mobile bandwidth technologies.
    You'd also be surprised what you can do in the browser these days, we built a fully functional freight dispatch software with location services that was cross platform using web technologies and wrapped it natively, and that was 3 years ago.

    *Yes I am aware of cross platform compilers and they're popular for a reason.
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    08-22-2015 05:01 AM
  22. TheCudder's Avatar
    Stop looking at fad or social media apps that sit in the "Top 50" apps list.. It's more about apps that provides a service or enhances an existing service.

    DirectTV, set or watch your recorded DVR shows on mobile or tablets.
    Xfinity, set or watch recorded DVR shows, or watch OnDemand TV on mobile or tablets.
    Kroger (Grocery), load digital coupons to your store card / store ID.
    CapitalOne Wallet, instant mobile alerts/notifications of all credit transactions.
    Various Mobile Banking Apps, mobile check deposit and a enhanced experience compared to a use of a mobile site.
    Car Infotainment apps, enhances the use of existing media apps by being able to control these apps within your cars infotainment systems instead of the phone.
    Rhapsody Song Match, instantly ID and link to the song within Rhapsody's music streaming service.

    Those are just a few examples that affect just me and is why I currently use Android device as my primary phone. There's many other regional or local companies and organizations that only target Android & iOS. For example local credit unions, banks, grocery stores, drug stores, cable providers etc.
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    08-22-2015 09:57 AM
  23. Chinocop's Avatar
    Apps might be all the rage now but they're a dead technology.As web technologies mature and mobile connection speeds improve you will not have apps.

    Where windows phone can be successful in the next 5-10 years while we wait for apps to die is the enterprise space. Forget consumer apps. Microsoft really dropped the ball here by trying to pander to consumers with Windows Phone and failing, while neglecting tight enterprise integration and functionality.
    With Windows 10 though and the success of the Surface tablet in the enterprise space, there is a much greater appetite to have a consistent experience for employees across devices, and Microsoft is well positioned finally with Windows 10 to capitalize on that. It's a travesty however that they are only just getting their ducks in a row now in this space, they're lucky Google and Apple are fairly incompetent competitors here.

    For a lot of services mobile websites do exist, so I think its more herd mentality than actually being at a large disadvantage when it comes to the 'app gap'. Yeah an app is more convenient - for now - until web catches up. And it will. No one wants to write code three times (web, iOS, Android*) and mobile demand is fuelling better mobile bandwidth technologies.
    You'd also be surprised what you can do in the browser these days, we built a fully functional freight dispatch software with location services that was cross platform using web technologies and wrapped it natively, and that was 3 years ago.

    *Yes I am aware of cross platform compilers and they're popular for a reason.
    Honestly, the way things operate now are extremely inefficient. If companies had any foresight, the would stop the insanity of having to develop for multiple platforms and push web technologies. It's a waste of company resources to have to employ IOS and Android developers. Once responsive web sites start becoming more light weight and efficient, we can stop all of the app nonsense. In reality, apps only make sense for video games. Microsoft were idiots to focus on a consumer oriented phone. You know what makes money in software, business applications. There's a reason companies pay $1500+/year/user for CRM or $1 million/year in maintenance for SAP. Apps for consumers are made to either waste time or get you to spend money. Very few phone/tablet apps are used to make decisions which drive revenue. Apps aren't built for productivity. Microsoft's culture was organized around productivity software. Asking them to connect with consumers was an exercise in futility.
    08-22-2015 10:32 AM
  24. lparsons21's Avatar
    Stop looking at fad or social media apps that sit in the "Top 50" apps list.. It's more about apps that provides a service or enhances an existing service.

    DirectTV, set or watch your recorded DVR shows on mobile or tablets.
    Xfinity, set or watch recorded DVR shows, or watch OnDemand TV on mobile or tablets.
    Kroger (Grocery), load digital coupons to your store card / store ID.
    CapitalOne Wallet, instant mobile alerts/notifications of all credit transactions.
    Various Mobile Banking Apps, mobile check deposit and a enhanced experience compared to a use of a mobile site.
    Car Infotainment apps, enhances the use of existing media apps by being able to control these apps within your cars infotainment systems instead of the phone.
    Rhapsody Song Match, instantly ID and link to the song within Rhapsody's music streaming service.

    Those are just a few examples that affect just me and is why I currently use Android device as my primary phone. There's many other regional or local companies and organizations that only target Android & iOS. For example local credit unions, banks, grocery stores, drug stores, cable providers etc.
    That's what made me switch from a wonderful HTC One M8 Windows phone back to iOS and the great iPhone 6+. Banking apps are a real issue for me, more so that some of the others you mention. I have a couple bank accounts in banks that are not local and having a mobile app that gives me a way to deposit money without using snail mail is very damned handy.

    But I really miss all that I loved about the Windows phone and most likely will just add a line to my existing account and pick up either the LG Lancet or Lumia 735. Both are inexpensive, both have good and bad things about them but nothing earth shattering. Sure, it will add $20/month to my phone service but what the heck, you can't take it with you!! :)
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-22-2015 10:42 AM
  25. a5cent's Avatar
    Asking them to connect with consumers was an exercise in futility.
    MS did it with the xbox. MS could have done it with phones too. Connecting with consumers was not inherently doomed to fail.



    WP was just mismanaged and their mobile efforts are still being mismanaged.
    Laura Knotek, libra89 and N_LaRUE like this.
    08-22-2015 10:50 AM
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