Are you F'ING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!

[Bkr11]

No... I want the Nokia Lumia 920. I have a BROKEN iPhone 3GS, I've been due for an upgrade for a while, but was holding out for the iPhone 5. THEN I was disappointed with the iPhone 5 and fell in love with the Lumia 920. I can't handle dealing with a broken phone anymore (I can't even listen to calls normally, I have to put everything on speakerphone lol). If they don't announce a release date soon then I am switching to Android... unfortunately.

FWIW I was in the same position and ended up buying a used Droid Razr for about $200 from Fast Lane Wireless dot com a few months back (I actually bought through their ebay store). My Thunderbolt was just about worthless but I knew I wanted WP8 (920) when it eventually came out.

I'm not sure whether I'll keep it as a spare or simply sell it when I make the jump to WP8 (may wait to see if VZW announced 920ish phone within 90 days or may jump over to AT&T sooner), but if I go the sale route on ebay I doubt the hit would be too bad.

BTW, since the Droid RAZR will be getting JB you can tell all your WP hating friends (assuming we all have them) how it actually beats Jelly Bean because you ran it...

 

[Reeves]

I wouldn't compare Nokia's launch or anyone else's to Apple. Apple has a unique ability to launch products nearly flawlessly. That comes from the fact they control the OS and the entire supply chain, they aren't delayed by the OS maker or the distribution channels and they are notorious for being demanding and calling the shots. They have also mastered the art of how to announce products and how to tease people with the waiting without going so far as to piss them off.

This launch HAS been a little goofy, but it's nothing different than what we have seen with dozens of other anticipated phones, whether they are Android or WP. Just check out some other forums and you will see people worked into a frothy lather over a hundred other things they have no control over. When's this Android getting the newest OS update? This is an outrage, when is this device coming to so-and-so??? And on-and-on.

This is a little frustrating, sure, but it is hardly unique to Nokia, AT&T or Windows Phone.

I want a Lumia 920 too guys. My 900's screen has a big crack in it now, so I'm eager to replace it ASAP. But there is no sense in flipping out about this stuff. All we can do is wait patiently. The phone will be released soon, I'm sure in the next couple of weeks.

There are people who've lost their homes in the flood this week, people who have no power and no heat in the northeast due to this storm. The damn Nokia 920 launch is hardly the most important thing happening in the world right now, so how about you chill the **** out? :straight:

The launch of a smartphone is never the most important thing in the world. There's always an atrocity (or several) occurring at any given point. So given this reasoning, one should never criticize or take issue with anything concerning an optional consumer electronics device.

They're super unimportant within the grand scheme of things.

That being said, it's not so much that people are "flipping out". It's that they're tired of seeing opportunity after opportunity get wasted. Windows Phone could've launched alongside Windows 8 and Surface so that when people were lining up to buy those products in stores, they could get a hands-on with the phones and truly be immersed in this ecosystem.

Nope. Wasted.

They could've had an event yesterday that announced a bunch of new apps and services, then listed the phones across carriers with preorders ready the second the event ended for launching in the coming days. That way, even if the devices weren't immediately ready, there was an action people could take to seize on the excitement they felt from the "final" WP8 event.

Nope. Wasted.

They could've had reviews of multiple devices ready with an embargo lift for yesterday and truly provided reviewers with a range of displays to review the operating system on. Instead they just had reviews of HTC's "flagship" device. And that phone won't go on sale until.....16 days from now if you're on T-Mobile. Who knows when AT&T and Verizon are getting it? November. Yeah.

Yet another wasted opportunity.

The launch has been one one dribble after another. Information dribbled out over four separate "events". Release dates dribbled out via press releases whenever the carriers get around to it. Training dribbled out across stores at the absolute last second.

Not good.

 

[aubreyq]

I just like the fact that Microsoft was talking about how they where going to advertise the living crap out of Windows Phone. But, by the way, you can't buy it anywhere in the US for two weeks and one of two flagship phones we don't have a freakin clue as to when it's going to be released.

LOL true.


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[Arsynic]

I don't want a gimped *** 822 from Verizon. Why Nokia, why?!!!

 

[Reflexx]

No... I want the Nokia Lumia 920. I have a BROKEN iPhone 3GS, I've been due for an upgrade for a while, but was holding out for the iPhone 5. THEN I was disappointed with the iPhone 5 and fell in love with the Lumia 920. I can't handle dealing with a broken phone anymore (I can't even listen to calls normally, I have to put everything on speakerphone lol). If they don't announce a release date soon then I am switching to Android... unfortunately.

I wouldn't consider you one of the loudest complainers.

Some complain about every move that Nokia makes, or doesn't make. They constantly want to pin blame on Nokia and praise other OEMs.

It's fine for them to like other OEMs. But the whining and complaining is getting pretty silly.

I want a Lumia 920 also. I want it yesterday. I have money in hand for them to take.

But I don't pretend to know everything that's going on behind the scenes.

Am I disappointed? Yes. I wish AT&T was a better partner.

Am I going to call Nokia a "stupid" company? Nope. Am I going to accuse anyone who doesn't think Nokia of stupid of being an "apologist?" Nope. That would be pretty dumb to do.

Yet, that's how extreme some people have been about this.

 

[Kebero]

I'm pissed at AT&T, since every other partner has announced dates and prices.

 

[1jaxstate1]

And have you ever talked to someone who has a "upgrade" available. It's like a kid with a dollar in a candy store. They are so eager to get a new phone. My brother is 44 years old, and he dances a jig when he has an upgrade available. It's kinda hard to tell they "well just wait a few more weeks, I THINK some new WP device are coming on the 11th".

But I don't know what's worse, announcing a date and then having the release slip, or just telling people "coming soon".

OFF TOPIC: They announced Words with Friends?

 

[mlm1950]

That being said, it's not so much that people are "flipping out". It's that they're tired of seeing opportunity after opportunity get wasted. Windows Phone could've launched alongside Windows 8 and Surface so that when people were lining up to buy those products in stores, they could get a hands-on with the phones and truly be immersed in this ecosystem.

Nope. Wasted.

They could've had an event yesterday that announced a bunch of new apps and services, then listed the phones across carriers with preorders ready the second the event ended for launching in the coming days. That way, even if the devices weren't immediately ready, there was an action people could take to seize on the excitement they felt from the "final" WP8 event.

Nope. Wasted.

I agree. They should have had a single launch date for Windows 8, Surface (RT and x86), and WP8, along with the XBOX stuff, with all the hardware lined up and ready to go, with availability dates, and had a long *** presentation demonstrating how everything is tied together into one huge ecosystem. That would have been all-in.

 

[mlm1950]

OFF TOPIC: They announced Words with Friends?

That was one of the tiles shown when they were talking about apps.

 

[Kebero]

I have upgrades available for my wife and I, which are much needed because both of us have phones that are long in the tooth. Hers doesn't always charge when plugged in, and mine is starting to have issues with the speakers cutting out.

While she doesn't need a smartphone, I do for work, and while I'm trying to hold out for the 8X, there's going to come a point where I absolutely have to replace my device and I will just have to get what I can.

 

[socialcarpet]

The launch of a smartphone is never the most important thing in the world. There's always an atrocity (or several) occurring at any given point. So given this reasoning, one should never criticize or take issue with anything concerning an optional consumer electronics device.

They're super unimportant within the grand scheme of things.

That being said, it's not so much that people are "flipping out". It's that they're tired of seeing opportunity after opportunity get wasted. Windows Phone could've launched alongside Windows 8 and Surface so that when people were lining up to buy those products in stores, they could get a hands-on with the phones and truly be immersed in this ecosystem.

Nope. Wasted.

They could've had an event yesterday that announced a bunch of new apps and services, then listed the phones across carriers with preorders ready the second the event ended for launching in the coming days. That way, even if the devices weren't immediately ready, there was an action people could take to seize on the excitement they felt from the "final" WP8 event.

Nope. Wasted.

They could've had reviews of multiple devices ready with an embargo lift for yesterday and truly provided reviewers with a range of displays to review the operating system on. Instead they just had reviews of HTC's "flagship" device. And that phone won't go on sale until.....16 days from now if you're on T-Mobile. Who knows when AT&T and Verizon are getting it? November. Yeah.

Yet another wasted opportunity.

The launch has been one one dribble after another. Information dribbled out over four separate "events". Release dates dribbled out via press releases whenever the carriers get around to it. Training dribbled out across stores at the absolute last second.

Not good.

You do make some excellent points there. I can't say I disagree entirely. All of this could have been done with much more dexterity.

Still, I'm not really as upset as many of you are about it. It is what it is. I'm also not concerned about the future of Windows Phone. I really believe that these few hiccups and less-than-perfect launches are going to be insignificant in the grand scheme of things. What is going to gain market share for Windows Phone is having compelling devices on the market, popular apps available for them and the consistent UI theme across the desktop, tablet and phone OS's which communicates "ecosystem" to everyone, even customers who don't know what an ecosystem is.

Microsoft has deep pockets and is clearly very committed here, I don't see them walking away from Windows Phone and quite honestly, I don't see a significant number of people who are GENUINELY interested in it walking away because they have to wait a few weeks for a new phone to launch after the new OS is announced.

Most of the people threatening to "walk away" are just: A.) crying wolf, B.) Android or iPhone using tire-kickers that were never serious anyway or C.) Some combination of the above.

Anyone who is going to "walk away" from Windows Phone over this launch stuff or some other silly inconsequential thing is just overreacting IMO. Do they really think Apple or the Android world isn't going to eventually do something to piss them off?

 

[socialcarpet]

I agree. They should have had a single launch date for Windows 8, Surface (RT and x86), and WP8, along with the XBOX stuff, with all the hardware lined up and ready to go, with availability dates, and had a long *** presentation demonstrating how everything is tied together into one huge ecosystem. That would have been all-in.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier for these individual products to get lost in the mix.

One event = one news cycle worth of buzz for everything, then it's over.

Several events = several seperate news cycles worth of buzz, each dedicated to that product, i.e. a news cycle of buzz just for Windows 8, THEN one for Windows Phone 8 and so on.

 

[graigsmith]

I'm just going to wait for the lumia 920, because that's what I really want.. I already have a working iphone 4.

 

[mlm1950]

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier for these individual products to get lost in the mix.

One event = one news cycle worth of buzz for everything, then it's over.

Several events = several seperate news cycles worth of buzz, each dedicated to that product, i.e. a news cycle of buzz just for Windows 8, THEN one for Windows Phone 8 and so on.

Well, maybe add a piece at each event then, but at the least have everything available, or shortly available, after the last event.

 

[leo74]

Most of the people threatening to "walk away" are just: A.) crying wolf, B.) Android or iPhone using tire-kickers that were never serious anyway or C.) Some combination of the above.

Anyone who is going to "walk away" from Windows Phone over this launch stuff or some other silly inconsequential thing is just overreacting IMO. Do they really think Apple or the Android world isn't going to eventually do something to piss them off?

I have to disagree... I am neither of the above mentioned, but I happened to hold on to an already more non-then-functional phone as long as I could since I really wanted to wait for the Lumia 920. Well, my phone died completely so I had to get a new one. But even if it wouldn't have died today, some day in November is not what I can wait for in this situation. November 4th for instance would have been something I could live with. No phone for 3-4 days? I can find workarounds for that. Heck, may I could have made it another week somehow... But no Phone for "some time in November" doesn't work.
I am still planning to get the Lumia 920 eventually, but I understand why people are walking away....
The people walking away are not necessarily the ones you mentioned, I believe the vast majority will be the ones like me. The ones who were/are in the market for a new phone and wanted to give WP8 a try. Real WP8 fans will wait.... But to be successful in the market, relying on only real WP8 fans will not be enough...
I also understand that you defend what you like. I would too. But I am not sure if the average phone user will understand...

 

[camstreet1]

No phone for 3-4 days? I can find workarounds for that. Heck, may I could have made it another week somehow... But no Phone for "some time in November" doesn't work.

I'm in exactly the same situation as you - my galaxy s2 died a few weeks ago, and my backup phone died last night. Not knowing precisely how long it'll be til i can get a 920 is torture, and add into that the furore over price, colour, carrier availability (in the uk). I like WP8, and I *probably* will wait; but it isn't the only game in town.

 

[VagrantWade]

I'm in exactly the same situation as you - my galaxy s2 died a few weeks ago, and my backup phone died last night. Not knowing precisely how long it'll be til i can get a 920 is torture, and add into that the furore over price, colour, carrier availability (in the uk). I like WP8, and I *probably* will wait; but it isn't the only game in town.

The weekend after this upcoming weekend.

 

[willied]

Why are any of you surprised by this??? We all know MS and AT&T flop when it comes to launches. So why would it change now? lol

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+1 for King's X.

 

[brmiller1976]

Sorry. I find the designation of all criticism of what has been a botched launch as "whining and complaining" to be cultlike... almost Apple-like.

I'd be willing to hear a Nokia apologist explain why this launch is flawless, brilliant and destined to succeed... it could be either informative or amusing. But so far, all I read are excuses for why Nokia cannot deliver.

 

[kregstrong]

I'm really just tired of hearing everyone ***** on here lol, just give us something constructive instead

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