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[a5cent]

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I can't remember a single one of her posts where she wasn't calling someone "stupid". I also can't remember a single one of her posts being helpful. After having insulted so many people, I don't think it would look good making her an official face of WPC.

 

[Muessig]

I can't see Emi changing her stripes just like I couldn't see Morpheus changing, and now he's gone. I will see if Reflexx is interested and in a few weeks I'll see about LaRue. I'm concerned that he doesn't actually care about WP phones at all, so he could well just leave the forum in the summer when he is due to get a different phone.

 

[Laura Knotek]

I can't see Emi changing her stripes just like I couldn't see Morpheus changing, and now he's gone. I will see if Reflexx is interested and in a few weeks I'll see about LaRue. I'm concerned that he doesn't actually care about WP phones at all, so he could well just leave the forum in the summer when he is due to get a different phone.

I wouldn't say it is a requirement for Ambassadors/Mods to use WP, as long as they don't bash the platform.

Most of the CB Mods don't use BB devices.

 

[Muessig]

It's not a requirement currently but its common sense - how can you be an ambassador for something if you don't have the device? This has been brought up in the ambassador team meeting; we want people that have a passion for the platform and can help new people with their problems and can engage the community and I'm not sure personally if I could do that if I had anything other than a WP Phone, being WPCentral.

 

[Laura Knotek]

It's not a requirement currently but its common sense - how can you be an ambassador for something if you don't have the device? This has been brought up in the ambassador team meeting; we want people that have a passion for the platform and can help new people with their problems and can engage the community and I'm not sure personally if I could do that if I had anything other than a WP Phone, being WPCentral.

pantless penguin is a CB Ambassador, but she uses Android.

BergerKing is a CB Mod, but he uses Android.

Neither one bashes BB. Both are part of CB more for the community than anything else; that is mainly why they aren't in those positions on AC.

 

[Muessig]

I think that's great that they are an important part of their communities but wherever possible I think in order to help the community in the way we're asking the ambassadors to do, they need to be up to date on the platform and know how to help. Sure that can be done without having a phone on that platform, but it makes it a heck of a lot easier if you have a device on that platform. I always found it to be a contradiction if you weren't on the platform you're representing in one way or another.

That's why as far as I can I'll try to get ambassadors that are actively using the WP platform. That doesn't mean they can't be an ambassador if they don't have it, but it's a preference that they do.

 

[Laura Knotek]

I think that's great that they are an important part of their communities but wherever possible I think in order to help the community in the way we're asking the ambassadors to do, they need to be up to date on the platform and know how to help. Sure that can be done without having a phone on that platform, but it makes it a heck of a lot easier if you have a device on that platform. I always found it to be a contradiction if you weren't on the platform you're representing in one way or another.

That's why as far as I can I'll try to get ambassadors that are actively using the WP platform. That doesn't mean they can't be an ambassador if they don't have it, but it's a preference that they do.

That's not a problem to me.

There are also many people these days who have multiple devices on multiple platforms. For example, I'm one; I run desktop Windows 8.1, desktop Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS and desktop Linux Mint 16.

I don't use IE except on WP, and that is only because other browsers aren't available. My default desktop browser (Windows and Linux) is Firefox Nightly.

 

[Muessig]

I think being platform agnostic can be harmful too, definitely having access to and actively using multiple platforms can give you great insight into what a given platform is doing right and wrong. I'd go out of my way to encourage that, because then we are adding value to different discussions across the board by having that unique perspective. I'd just hope that someone that's being an ambassador for WPCentral might have a WP device as their daily driver. Or at least have a vested interest in the platform and know enough about it's day to day news and information to be able to help out people here on the forums. Clearly that's what's happening with BergerKing etc, even though they don't use the platform they represent day to day.

This is where my concern is with LaRue, he's gone and said he doesn't particularly care about WP he just wants a good phone, which is fine but I'm not sure if that means he's likely to stick around if his next phone isn't on WP.

 

[a5cent]

Interesting stuff!

I don't know if LaRue is more like Muessig and myself, or if he could become the WPC equivalent of a CB moderator, but I do think he cares about WP. He's put a lot of mental energy into understanding the platform. He understood absolutely nothing when he got here and now he commands a better understanding than most. I don't think anyone goes through that transition if they aren't genuinely interested. That doesn't mean he won't switch, but I think there is at least a good chance he'll stick with WP.

I think he very much likes the fundamental concepts of WP. The underlying principles, and to what they could lead. What WP could become. He's just not always happy with the current state of affairs. Up until very recently that was probably true for many of us.

he's gone and said he doesn't particularly care about WP he just wants a good phone.

I've been known to misjudge people, but I don't buy this. In LaRue's case, I think that must be interpreted as: "I'm completely objective so don't you dare think I'm a ******".

 

[Laura Knotek]

I think being platform agnostic can be harmful too, definitely having access to and actively using multiple platforms can give you great insight into what a given platform is doing right and wrong. I'd go out of my way to encourage that, because then we are adding value to different discussions across the board by having that unique perspective. I'd just hope that someone that's being an ambassador for WPCentral might have a WP device as their daily driver. Or at least have a vested interest in the platform and know enough about it's day to day news and information to be able to help out people here on the forums. Clearly that's what's happening with BergerKing etc, even though they don't use the platform they represent day to day.

This is where my concern is with LaRue, he's gone and said he doesn't particularly care about WP he just wants a good phone, which is fine but I'm not sure if that means he's likely to stick around if his next phone isn't on WP.

Since Augie (palandri) has left, I'm probably the most platform agnostic in terms of desktop PC platforms. I belong to 2 local Linux User Groups. I don't belong to any local groups that are related to Windows.

 

[Muessig]

By platform agnostic I meant being tied to and only using one platform. Seems platform agnostic is all about embracing multiple platforms which is what I was trying to argue for.

Bah its too early.

 

[rockstarzzz]

I am in the team Microsoft here. If we are to call someone an "ambassador" at WPCentral, they better be well into the platform to be able to play a role of ambassador. On the other hand, guys with multiple platforms fit better as ambassador of Mobile Nations instead of WPCentral. At least they gotta be invested in WP if not Xbox etc. It is only because, this is how I understand an ambassador to be. Other than Reflexx, I have no favourites in this list, possible because I've not seen "nice" users since the launch of WP8.1 and all I see is a grumpy lot.

 

[Muessig]

To update everyone, I asked Reflexx and he declined due to time issues on his end at the moment. I told him the offer is open ended for whenever he did have time. So I asked Xandros9, a quality and active poster who has accepted.

Also, my previously described worries about LaRue are being demonstrated in the 75K post challenge thread for the last few days where he will get hold of a specific subject and shout others down, and beat the topic to death. This isn't the kind of behaviour I'd like to see from any ambassador. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Pete]

Entirely agree. Larue could be a good guy, but he's not there yet. Might be an idea to ham up the virtues of Xandros in being chosen for Ambassadorship, if an announcement is made. Maybe something will sink in...

 

[a5cent]

Any thoughts on this?

I only went back three pages. The worst I saw was him wanting to "help someone get past their ignorance". It didn't look like the opposite side was offended by that statement. Controversial topics like politics and/or religion are bound to get heated, but I didn't see any posts which crossed the line into "bad behaviour".

Still, after giving this some thought, I agree that anyone with an official role on WPC should probably avoid controversial topics altogether. WPC should be a place everyone enjoys visiting, regardless of political or religious affiliations. We probably don't want anyone officially representing WPC to take sides. There are enough other sites dedicated to those topics.

In summary, I don't see anything wrong with LaRue's posts, but I agree that being in a moderator/ambassador role should limit the types of discussions one can engage in (i.e. I'll have to stay away from overly-patriotic nationalists).

 

[Muessig]

Because no sane person will read a bible let alone two and still be as religious as you. On top of that it's obvious you didn't understand the science books you read otherwise your have no issue with evolution.

That's why.

This is pretty bad. On a thread like 75K you have to search a few more pages as the conversation moves quickly, but this topic has been going on for a few days pretty constantly. Overall I agree as people that we want to represent the community or maybe one day see as moderators I think controversial topics are harder to be objective in.

 

[a5cent]

This is pretty bad. On a thread like 75K you have to search a few more pages as the conversation moves quickly, but this topic has been going on for a few days pretty constantly. Overall I agree as people that we want to represent the community or maybe one day see as moderators I think controversial topics are harder to be objective in.

*waves white flag*

TBH, I must make a conscious effort to be offended, otherwise I'd never detect much of the stuff I should be cleaning/infracting here at WPC. I'm a bit worried my tolerance level for such things is far too high to be good at this job. Hope I'll get the hang of it. Now that you've pointed it out, I agree!

 

[Laura Knotek]

This is pretty bad. On a thread like 75K you have to search a few more pages as the conversation moves quickly, but this topic has been going on for a few days pretty constantly. Overall I agree as people that we want to represent the community or maybe one day see as moderators I think controversial topics are harder to be objective in.

*waves white flag*

TBH, I must make a conscious effort to be offended, otherwise I'd never detect much of the stuff I should be cleaning/infracting here at WPC. I'm a bit worried my tolerance level for such things is far too high to be good at this job. Hope I'll get the hang of it. Now that you've pointed it out, I agree!

It looks like the topic has changed and the religion debate is over. I'll take a look at the thread. I'm not issuing any infractions, but I will post a warning for all members to avoid debate on politics/religion as being out of the scope of the WPCentral forums, if I see anything start again.

I also agree that someone who is not tolerant of people with differing views on religion should not be a representative of the community. Proselytizing (whether for a religion or for atheism) is not what these forums are about. There are other forums specially dedicated to those topics (such as Beliefnet).

 

[Laura Knotek]

Since that religion debate was so long and drawn out (and going nowhere), I posted a warning to the community. http://forums.windowscentral.com/off-topic-lounge/234377-2517.htm#post2528102

Please issue infractions if any more religion debates resume.

 

[rockstarzzz]

Can I ask, how many ambassadors do we have right now? Do you have a target number you want to achieve or the big boss would like us to have?

If current ones are active enough (e.g. Himanshu - that dude is every thread I go in!) then do we really need to bulk up like other sites? I know I haven't been the most active mod when it comes to ambassadors but..