I find this so stupid about WP7

[rockstarzzz]

On Android, this exists as well. Samsung, HTC and others have their own apps.

My galaxy s3 has "Samsung Apps". Same with HTC.

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I think this is different to what OP wants to say. He is fine with Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps exclusive to Nokia. But not when ESPN or say Instagram goes exclusive for Nokia. Because they are 3rd party. So under those Samsung apps splashscreen do you find non-Samsung 3rd party apps too? If so, what for example?

PS: I totally agree with this 3rd and 5th party exclusivity given to Nokia, because Nokia is in exclusive agreement with MSFT OS whereas others aren't. That makes Nokia the special one with business perspective and romance perspective.

 

[Duvi]

I think this is different to what OP wants to say. He is fine with Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps exclusive to Nokia. But not when ESPN or say Instagram goes exclusive for Nokia. Because they are 3rd party. So under those Samsung apps splashscreen do you find non-Samsung 3rd party apps too? If so, what for example?

PS: I totally agree with this 3rd and 5th party exclusivity given to Nokia, because Nokia is in exclusive agreement with MSFT OS whereas others aren't. That makes Nokia the special one with business perspective and romance perspective.

I know that's what he was saying. The apps in the Samsung & HTC app stores aren't all made by the respective manufacturers. They help fund development, so they get it exclusive to them.

So if Nokia is funding Instagram/FaceBook to have an exclusive IG app, why would they fund it for another manufacturer? If you think about it, although it's Android vs. iOS vs. WP, it is still Samsung vs. Nokia vs. HTC vs. other manufacturers. They need an edge.

 

[Duvi]

It's not just the different OEMs either (and not just Windows Phone and Android). The carriers also restrict different apps or have exclusive apps too.

AT&T BlackBerry users had to use a 3rd-party app to use BlackBerry Maps, since AT&T wanted people to subscribe to Telenav for $10/month.

VZW disabled GPS on BlackBerry unless a customer used Telenav.

BlackBerry users in the US cannot get Skype unless they have VZW as their carrier.

Yup. I used to beta test apps for AT&T through their beta program. It would be stupid if they funded the development, but allowed non-AT&T users access to it.

 

[Duvi]

Source? - not that I'm challenging what you said, but would be lovely to quote source next time I use this

That's actually from 2010. 2012 is a little different.

2010 - R&D spending: Here are the Top 10 firms ? Not your average aspiring journalist

2012 - The world's biggest R&D spenders - FierceBiotech

Top R&D budgets
1. Pfizer: $9.4 billion
2. Roche: $9.2 billion
3. Merck: $8.12 billion
4. Novartis: $8.08 billion
5. Johnson & Johnson: $6.84 billion
6. GlaxoSmithKline: $6.09 billion
7. Sanofi-Aventis: $5.94 billion
8. AstraZeneca: $5.3 billion
9. Eli Lilly: $4.88 billion
10. Bristol-Myers Squibb: $3.56 billion
Tied for 10th. Takeda Pharmaceutical: $3.5 billion

 

[DungMasterFang]

That's actually from 2010. 2012 is a little different.

2010 - R&D spending: Here are the Top 10 firms ? Not your average aspiring journalist

2012 - The world's biggest R&D spenders - FierceBiotech

Top R&D budgets
1. Pfizer: $9.4 billion
2. Roche: $9.2 billion
3. Merck: $8.12 billion
4. Novartis: $8.08 billion
5. Johnson & Johnson: $6.84 billion
6. GlaxoSmithKline: $6.09 billion
7. Sanofi-Aventis: $5.94 billion
8. AstraZeneca: $5.3 billion
9. Eli Lilly: $4.88 billion
10. Bristol-Myers Squibb: $3.56 billion
Tied for 10th. Takeda Pharmaceutical: $3.5 billion

I hope you realize that that list you just posted is just for pharmaceutical companies.

 

[eric12341]

Last Warning about the personal insults. Next one the thread is closed and infractions will be handed out.

 

[cp2_4eva]

So, what I'm gathering from all these statements is at this time it would be in our best interests to all buy Nokia phones because Nokia and MS are basically tight with each other. That is if we want the apps first. And that is until the other OEMs start to focus more on WP as well. No matter how flaky Nokia WiFi connections are or even if they decide not to grace us with pureview or at least a better camera sensor. In the other OS at this time there aren't many 3rd party apps that aren't available to all phones using Android. I understand that other phones will eventually get those apps, but that might be hurting those customers that ate in that store to buy a phone and can't wait to get it, so they get an Android or iPhone to get those apps.

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[Reflexx]

So, what I'm gathering from all these statements is at this time it would be in our best interests to all buy Nokia phones because Nokia and MS are basically tight with each other. That is if we want the apps first. And that is until the other OEMs start to focus more on WP as well. No matter how flaky Nokia WiFi connections are or even if they decide not to grace us with pureview or at least a better camera sensor. In the other OS at this time there aren't many 3rd party apps that aren't available to all phones using Android. I understand that other phones will eventually get those apps, but that might be hurting those customers that ate in that store to buy a phone and can't wait to get it, so they get an Android or iPhone to get those apps.

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Not at all.

If you like another OEM's product better l, then get it. Then be patient and wait for Nokia's exclusivity period to end on a few of the apps you want. And recognize that those apps wouldn't be available to you at all if Nokia didn't pay for them to be developed for WP.

If the particular apps you want are Nokia exclusive, and you MUST have them NOW, then get a Nokia.

Nobody is forcing your choice. It's up to YOU to weigh the pros and cons of the choices you choose to make.

 

[Duvi]

I hope you realize that that list you just posted is just for pharmaceutical companies.

I'll check it out when I get home. I probably posted the wrong link. The 2010 list is correct though.

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[Duvi]

So, what I'm gathering from all these statements is at this time it would be in our best interests to all buy Nokia phones because Nokia and MS are basically tight with each other. That is if we want the apps first. And that is until the other OEMs start to focus more on WP as well. No matter how flaky Nokia WiFi connections are or even if they decide not to grace us with pureview or at least a better camera sensor. In the other OS at this time there aren't many 3rd party apps that aren't available to all phones using Android. I understand that other phones will eventually get those apps, but that might be hurting those customers that ate in that store to buy a phone and can't wait to get it, so they get an Android or iPhone to get those apps.

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What should have been gathered is that you have a choice. If the exclusive nokia apps mean more than what the other manufacturers have to offer, then go with Nokia. If not, go with the others.

I like the looks of the Titan II, but I made a choice to avoid HTC at all costs. So I decided to stay with samsung and nokia when it comes to WP8.



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[GoodThings2Life]

...so they get an Android or iPhone to get those apps...

Ah, so we get another piece of the argument now. We're beyond the fairness argument, and we want to talk about how to entice users...

Here's a simple reality... I have users at work that I buy/recommend smartphones to use for work/personal use. My CEO, CFO, two COO's, and several others. The CFO has an iPhone, but everyone else has some Android phone... typically HTC EVO's or Samsung Galaxy (of some variation). My CEO has had 7 different phones in the past three years. I typically can push them in the direction I want them to go based on what work-related function they want, but Windows Phone has been difficult because of the hype of the other platforms... My CEO is constantly saying he wants an iPhone. I get him one, and he ALWAYS hates it. Every. Single. Time. It's too small for a man of 6' 7" tall, but he hears about it from his rich friends, so he is constantly curious. Then he goes back to Android. I showed him my Titan, and he loved the big screen but said, "Can I get that in Android? I don't want to relearn something." I got his wife the Sprint Arrive, and she loved it... the only phone she's had more than 6 months... but she finally went iPhone too... because her kids talked her into it. She doesn't like it, "it's too complicated... I don't use all this stuff," but she keeps it. I can't explain it.

If I ask them what they use on their phone, aside from texting and email and other built-in functions, only a couple of them have even bothered to look at the whole "app scene". They use a few fantasy sport apps and maybe some novelty app or two, but most of them ditch apps as fast as they download them after the gimmick wears out, and more common, they've NEVER used an app that was preinstalled on their phone. In fact, my CEO once asked, "what's that Sprint TV crap? How do I get rid of that?" I don't know a single person that actually uses Siri except for hands-free in the car, and the CEO's son actually said, "it's creepy, but I like it for hands free when I'm driving."

I bet that if we could poll every smartphone user on earth, I bet a majority would say the same, and I believe that because companies like Apple, Google, and Microsoft do this research to decide what to bundle in the platforms. Why do you think they all include email and mapping programs and leave the rest to users?

Apps are a fad... available for the whims of the trendy and the bored. Why do you think people are so easily enticed by free and "cheap" $1 apps? They're cute, fun, whimsical, and after a while people move on. By the time Instagram comes to Windows Phone, nearly no one will care about it anymore. It exists because neither Facebook nor Twitter make it easy to post pics from other devices... but it's super easy on Windows Phone. If Microsoft or OEMs put in some filters natively, we wouldn't need it.

Picking a platform is based exclusively on trendiness... iPhone was flashy and trendy and caught on fast, but it didn't have a third-party app to speak of for the first year! Android picked up easily too, because it wasn't Apple... and it took a while to grow the marketplace. But everywhere you looked, there was a commercial for Apple or "Droid".

Windows Phone needs that trendy factor, and apps alone aren't going to cut it. You know why Nokia has outsold Samsung on Windows Phone? It's not the exclusive apps... it's the marketing. Nokia has been out there pushing. They're struggling financially, but they're doing what it takes... and people are noticing. If Samsung and HTC want to join the fun, bring it on! For now, though, it's all Nokia.

 

[Squatting Hen]

Let me jump back in and address both sides of the issue for a minute, because I have been thinking about this more...

Unfair Group -- Are you upset because it's Nokia doing this or because Microsoft allows it? It matters, because if you're only upset about Nokia but you would tolerate it from Samsung or HTC or I dunno... LG... then frankly, you're a hypocrite with a double standard, and you're just whining about an OEM you don't like. If you're against Microsoft allowing it, I can at least give you some credit for the argument, because I think you're right, and here's why...

Fair Group -- If we allow every OEM to do this, we will be creating fragmentation in the platform, and we can just look at Android to see how chaotic that can be. I want the ESPN app, so I have to buy Nokia, but I also want Chase Banking, and crap-- I can only get that on Samsung. Worse, what happens when the carriers start doing this... Suddenly, I can only get it on Samsung IF I'm on AT&T. Hmm, then the argument breaks down.

But is it such a bad thing? Don't we already have some of this going on? I mean, only AT&T customers have an app that lets us manage all our phone account services, and only HTC customers have the HTC Hub and only Nokia customers get Nokia Drive. These aren't great examples since alternatives exist, BUT suppose they were exclusive apps.

Android has things like this too... just because an app is listed for a device doesn't mean it works. Some are only compatible with particular versions of Android which is EXTREMELY problematic, some only work with HTC devices or Samsung devices, and what about the difference on every single device (HTC has at least 50 versions of Sense UI now).

My point is this... if you're making a philosophical argument against fragmentation and wanting to promote the platform to new customers, kudos and thank you... but if you're just whining about Nokia, the moderators might as well lock this thread now, because we're all wasting our time. And likewise, if we're going to argue that it's fair for OEMs to do this, then we have to be OK with the consequences of fragmentation and buggy apps. I don't want to deal with Force Close situations... I left Android because of that crap.

At the end of the day, though, Nokia has a special relationship with Microsoft that has them working together above and beyond, and it's done more to promote the platform than any of the other OEM. That makes it a good thing... as long as it's limited.

This is exactly what I have been saying in my posts here. People don't seem to get that. As soon as they see the words Nokia, defense arises. It is just not a good example to set. As I also stated, I would be upset if other OEM's started following Nokia in this.

 

[mkr10001]

Why is it that Nokia has the best exclusive apps that Samsung and HTC can't get? On other OS, if there is an app on the market, then all android users can get it. Not just android users that have a Samsung. I'm talking about apps, not functions. This is stupid. I like my HTC, but the apps that Nokia has exclusively makes me a bit disgruntled. I'd love to have an official ESPN fantasy football app....only Nokia will have it. FML.

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Maybe other manufacturers should get off their backsides and make some.

Clearly nokia are taking WP more seriously than other OEMs....stop your complaining

 

[cp2_4eva]

Maybe other manufacturers should get off their backsides and make some.



Clearly nokia are taking WP more seriously than other OEMs....stop your complaining

I have a right to voice my opinion. This is a forum. So for you to say stop your complaining without giving some substantial debate material is well, blah. Plus you totally misunderstood my reasoning and what my gripe is. I love how if someone even thinks about down talking Nokia then folks want to flame them.

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[crystal_planet]

I don't know what dystopian universe some of you come from, but I wasn't assigned a brand at my birth that I'm forced to use until I die. C'mon you guys - we are eating our own here and it isn't pretty.

 

[Reflexx]

What people apparently want is charity.

 

[Squatting Hen]

What people apparently want is charity.

Wow. Completely wrong. At leat some posters here get it. Might as well close and lock this thread.

 

[eric12341]

^ I agree, time to close this before it gets out of hand.