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Rich Edmonds

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I've also sorted out everyone's display group and title respective to their position here at wpcentral. Permissions are all kept the same however, it's simply a more fluid look.

I've put myself and George into the purple Writers colour though we still have the same permissions. I've put both Big D and ronbo as the Moderator green colour but you both still have the same Admin permissions etc. and Dieter is the guy in red. Changed it all as a test to see what it would look like, looks alright?
 

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I've also sorted out everyone's display group and title respective to their position here at wpcentral. Permissions are all kept the same however, it's simply a more fluid look.

I've put myself and George into the purple Writers colour though we still have the same permissions. I've put both Big D and ronbo as the Moderator green colour but you both still have the same Admin permissions etc. and Dieter is the guy in red. Changed it all as a test to see what it would look like, looks alright?

I don't like that so I changed it back on mine is that a problem for you?
 

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I have worked real hard to earn the title of Admin I wear it with pride plus the color red appeals to me. I am sure you wouldn't like it if someone removed the word writer from your title and you shouldn't because you deserve to have that under you name.

Thanks for understanding,
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I have worked real hard to earn the title of Admin I wear it with pride plus the color red appeals to me. I am sure you wouldn't like it if someone removed the word writer from your title and you shouldn't because you deserve to have that under you name.

Thanks for understanding,
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Only thing is, "Administrator" is such a bland, generic term. On a forum that isn't part of a network of sites is perfect as an Administrator you are governor of the forum. However, the title Writer is self-explanatory - I write things for the website. Administrator doesn't say much, a user may think "do you own the SPE network? Are you an Administrator over all the sites?" and might not understand what your position is. When it's part of the big picture it just seems slightly misleading to the end-user when I'm a writer and you're a moderator the forum.

For Dieter on the other hand, it fits since he's the backbone of each site.

IMO of course. Wasn't a permanent change, just altering how it would seem from a reader, as opposed to ourselves.
 

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Only thing is, "Administrator" is such a bland, generic term. On a forum that isn't part of a network of sites is perfect as an Administrator you are governor of the forum. However, the title Writer is self-explanatory - I write things for the website. Administrator doesn't say much, a user may think "do you own the SPE network? Are you an Administrator over all the sites?" and might not understand what your position is. When it's part of the big picture it just seems slightly misleading to the end-user when I'm a writer and you're a moderator the forum.

For Dieter on the other hand, it fits since he's the backbone of each site.

IMO of course. Wasn't a permanent change, just altering how it would seem from a reader, as opposed to ourselves.

I can't expect you writers to know everything.... lol In the forums that is how its done Admin, Super Mod, then Mod. Take a look around at the other websites like AC where Cory, Phil, and Jerry are the admins followed by Super Mods, then Mods. (<I'm one of those over there) I believe Dieters title is Commander and Chief or something like that unless Phil changed it.

I didn't decide what words would be used that's just the title given to me by Dieter and if you look around that is how it is handled on all forums. Dieter chose the title Administrator for me, I would have to go back a few years to find the email but I believe he said something like "How about I just make you an admin so you can take care of that stuff yourself" or something like that. I an very proud of that title and I wish to keep it so please don't change it again.

No harm done lets just move on,
:cool: Dave
 

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I can't expect you writers to know everything.... lol In the forums that is how its done Admin, Super Mod, then Mod. Take a look around at the other websites like AC where Cory, Phil, and Jerry are the admins followed by Super Mods, then Mods. (<I'm one of those over there) I believe Dieters title is Commander and Chief or something like that unless Phil changed it.

I didn't decide what words would be used that's just the title given to me by Dieter and if you look around that is how it is handled on all forums. Dieter chose the title Administrator for me, I would have to go back a few years to find the email but I believe he said something like "How about I just make you an admin so you can take care of that stuff yourself" or something like that. I an very proud of that title and I wish to keep it so please don't change it again.

No harm done lets just move on,
:cool: Dave
I think I know slightly more than an average writer since I've been involved with community management and forum administration for almost 8 years. I've been in the days of forums used in terminal (on LAN of course) and the likes of IPB 1.3 through v2 and v3, as well as phpBB 1,2 and 3. Not to mention I've held an IPB license for the past 5-6 years as well as a XenForo Beta license. Heh I was even part of the staff team in the days of Mokata. This is why I stated that Admin, Moderator and Member are the three default groups in any given forum solution. This is when a forum is not part of a website (which is what they were specifically designed for and majority of forums are not a part of a website or script).

Since wpcentral forums are a part of not only the main site itself, but the SPE network, one would think (from a member's perspective) that "Admin" would cover administrative tasks not only on the forum, but the website and the company - which is misleading. Being blunt, you're a moderator with administrative privileges. I'm a writer with administrative privileges. The only person who would suit the title Administrator would be Dieter since he overlooks all the communities and therefore is the top-dog.

I would assume when Dieter said you would become admin, he meant you would have administrative access, as Dan said to me not so long ago. Like I said "Admin" and "Administrator" are very generic term and could mean anything from access to the ACP to being in charge of the backend of a website.

But should you be proud of the title, you have every right to uphold it. Like I have repeated, it was a temporary change to see how the alteration would look through the fluid approach.
 

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All very good points you obviously have a great deal of experience with forums plus its nice to get to know you a little better. I apologize if I have offended you in any way.

:cool: Dave
 

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Ahem. I don't know why the title changed. If seniority really is counted here, I have more senior than any of you here. :(
 

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wtf?!!! :mad:

Ronbo was an Admin here before you guys even showed up.

Disrespectful!
Funny thing is, Ronbo is still an Admin. Get your facts correct before you blow your horn at me sunshine. As for authority, it has little to do with it. If you notice, I dropped myself to Writer, and Dan is displayed as Head Editor as that is what we are. Admin is a generic term (like I said a million times already) and can mean absolutely anything.

You are a moderator. Ron is a moderator with admin access. Dave is a moderator with admin access. I'm a writer with admin access. George is a Writer with moderation control. Dan is head editor with admin access. It really is that simple. Dieter is considered admin due to his position as community manager and has full access on the network of sites. If we are all displayed as admin, are we all in the same position within the network? No.

We're the content team if you will whereas you are volunteer moderators. If anything it allows members to view the ranks and the team more fluidly. We are looking to have a team roster at some point hopefully anyway, so having a clear understanding as to who does what on the forums where the community gathers is fairly important instead of having admin, admin, admin, admin, admin. Admin of what exactly?

Remember this isn't just a standalone forum, it's part of wpcentral and SPE.
 

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I have my facts straight, sunshine.

Ronbo has been in these trenches as far back as I can remember.

You chose to strip him of a Title. Yes, it's just a 'Title'
And this is just a hobby, so who should even care? :(

Whatever.
 

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Guys, keep your cool. No sense arguing about this. This is not the behavior I am expecting from fellow member regardless of your status.

I was just looking at my profile from the forum and did not go through the admin CP as I was working late. I figure if Dieter gave Rich the all authority, I will give way to him. However, at the very least, I was expecting some notification before the changes was done.
 

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I have my facts straight, sunshine.

Ronbo has been in these trenches as far back as I can remember.

You chose to strip him of a Title. Yes, it's just a 'Title'
And this is just a hobby, so who should even care? :(

Whatever.

It was a small alteration to see how actual rank title within the site would reflect on the forum (which I've explained 10+ times now). I did not strip anyone of any title, nor did I remove any permission at all whatsoever. Ron can easily go into the ACP and change it or I can change it back for him should he so wish it. Do you actually understand how little this change is in the ACP? It's literally a drop down menu selection for DISPLAYED user group. This was switched from Admin to Mod, which was to reflect what positions are currently held when taken into consideration the integration the forum has with not only the main website (which you guys don't have any access to) but the network itself.

So no, actually you don't have any fact straight at all. You assumed I removed his permission, when I haven't. Why would I remove his permissions as an Admin? I don't have that authority at all. Trust me, you will lose this argument since you have zero backing of your ridiculous accusation.

Exactly, it's a title, and again my point; for you this might be a hobby. For us this is more than a mere volunteer position on a forum. It's a part of our day-to-day goings. Look at Dan, he pours an incredible amount of time into the site, along with Dieter. How come George (an Editor on the site) gets a lower position than Dave and Ron then? If you wish to continue to look at the situation like that then we should promote everyone to Admin.

The title Admin is misleading and is barely used on other huge forums that are a part of any given CMS. I don't see the change from Admin to Moderator to be such a huge deal, if you persist to look at it as ranks that actually mean anything other than your actual position here, then I took a massive step down from Admin to just Writer. If I was being an incredibly selfish prick who kept my title as Admin and completely demoted you all then fair enough, but running a simple test to see how it would look is just hilarious to cause this much tension.

Should I have asked first? Why should I have? How would I know how it would look without changing it for everyone? Dan changed his back in moments. Plus it was vital to get a real reaction to the alteration. Anyway, I grow tired of this petty situation and your "whatever" statement displays to me the level of maturity you wish to remain on.

G'day.
 

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It was a small alteration to see how actual rank title within the site would reflect on the forum (which I've explained 10+ times now). I did not strip anyone of any title, nor did I remove any permission at all whatsoever. Ron can easily go into the ACP and change it or I can change it back for him should he so wish it. Do you actually understand how little this change is in the ACP? It's literally a drop down menu selection for DISPLAYED user group. This was switched from Admin to Mod, which was to reflect what positions are currently held when taken into consideration the integration the forum has with not only the main website (which you guys don't have any access to) but the network itself.

So no, actually you don't have any fact straight at all. You assumed I removed his permission, when I haven't. Why would I remove his permissions as an Admin? I don't have that authority at all. Trust me, you will lose this argument since you have zero backing of your ridiculous accusation.

Exactly, it's a title, and again my point; for you this might be a hobby. For us this is more than a mere volunteer position on a forum. It's a part of our day-to-day goings. Look at Dan, he pours an incredible amount of time into the site, along with Dieter.

The title Admin is misleading and is barely used on other huge forums that are a part of any given CMS. I don't see the change from Admin to Moderator to be such a huge deal, if you persist to look at it as ranks that actually mean anything other than your actual position here, then I took a massive step down from Admin to just Writer. If I was being an incredibly selfish prick who kept my title as Admin and completely demoted you all then fair enough, but running a simple test to see how it would look is just hilarious to cause this much tension.

Should I have asked first? Why should I have? How would I know how it would look without changing it for everyone? Dan changed his back in moments. Plus it was vital to get a real reaction to the alteration. Anyway, I grow tired of this petty situation and your "whatever" statement displays to me the level of maturity you wish to remain on.

G'day.

I didn't assume you knocked him down to just a moderator.
As I said, you decided to drop his Title.

He seems fine with it.


<<nevermind>>
 
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Looks like everyone has said there peace and this thread has run its course time to close it down. I realy hope you will reconsider berdinkerdickle we can use your help around here. If not keep in touch.

Thanks,
Dave
 
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