This guy hits the nail on the head with Windows 10 Mobile
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I watched that review last night and thought "Wow, that hits the nail on its head". I hadn't even seen this thread until now. Crazy how accurate he was about everything... Except for those install errors... I've not ever seen one... Must.be 950 specific or something.
Anyway, I was enjoying every bit of it. It praises.the platform where warranted and calls it out on it's BS when it is not worthy of praise. The title on the video is damning: "Lumia 950 XL: Nope." Not sure if the article is titled the same also, but if it is, that's all anyone needs to read to corroborate their previous notions regarding Windows Phone.
Microsoft better have a an awesome update that they've been testing over the holiday break since the last build. Everything that review said, i know to be true except for the video recording and store issues he complained about but i believe thats because I'm running W10m on the 929.
I send whatever feedback I can to Microsoft when I discover a problem. I'm sure lots of us here do. Sometimes it feels they are listening, sometimes it does not. They need to make it more readily apparent that they are listening. That should be their New Year resolution. My patience is wearing thin... And I'm the most patient person I know! Still in it for the foreseeable future, but man... How much longer?
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Just for sh*ts and giggles, I Went down the list of problems they say followed them through three Lumias in the 950 series.
None of the app update problems, crashes or issues with 4K recording (since I have a two month old son and want my videos of him to hold as technology progresses, I've actually left 4K as the default option and have been recording things he does almost daily since I got this phone), and even tried to install MS-DOS Mobile since that's one of very few times they stopped being vague to specifically cite something - and it installed fine. Prior to seeing this, I was about to make a thread regarding this to see if I was just lucky... but it seems like a minority (regardless of how vocal) are the ones experiencing these issues. I wouldn't say this review nails it at all... but rather it tries to magnify the exception into being the rule. This will get on the good side of the shills that religiously hang out here just to bash the WP platform, but this is a big no-no for reviewers that want to be ethical and fair.
I will mention that I did at one point and time have some problem with stuck updates on my 950, but the very day I read this article Microsoft may have just fixed stuck app updates in the Windows 10 Mobile store | Windows Central I checked my phone and sure enough the stuck updates were taken care of.
Even in app crashes... I have 412 apps on my Lumia 950 now (including every single Xbox enabled Gameloft game and pretty much all the other major games on WP too). The only one that downright crashes is Mass Effect Infiltrator. Every single time I open it up it crashes. I get inescapable black screen problems with Spectral Souls and Monster GO!, but even if we were to count those as crashes, that'd still mean 409/412 apps I currently have installed work just fine.
Silent majority is always an ignored but very important aspect. If there's anything universally true, it's that there are more unsatisfied people complaining than there are satisfied people praising. I can catch my Nexus 5 having two errors any day of the week... and my Nike+ app crashes every time I open it on my iPhone. And I just happen to have 5 stuck updates on my iPad right now that have persisted for about a month and persisted through the recent update to iOS9.2.
... if I wanted to center a review around those and briefly show a list of user complaints to get those "I'm not alone!" cookies, I could spin-doctor Android/iOS into looking badly as well... but I have more integrity than that. That's why the truly established reviewers like MKBHD may point out OS bugs (such as the always reliable way to make an iPhone crash) but they don't use such low, scummy spin doctor tactics to represent a phone or an OS as a whole.
...I've seen better than this out of Fisher. This is not some of his better work... actually seems like he took a page out of The Verge's book. If even a single person were to make a decision to avoid based off this review, it should be met with shame.
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More pretending that there is nothing wrong . The new Microsoft way. The scary thing is, that companies fine tune the hell out of a device before they send them to a guy like this for reviewing. The fact that this is what they sent him more than tells you the situation.
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Whoa, slow down buddy... that poor keyboard did nothing to you!
Citing our own cases that we aren't experiencing these issues isn't an expression that nothing is wrong... and actually no one's even mentioned that "there is nothing wrong" until you. They've actually been surprisingly docile and sympathetic towards those having problems with their 950/950XL even though the other side of this discussion has been aggressive. When a reviewer says "I can't recommend this phone to anyone" based on a small spread of issues, people speaking out to say "Hey, sucks that you're having this issue... but we're not having the problem you're having. You may want to re-evaluate the range of your claim." is the reaction most rational, logical human beings will have.
Again - because I am having problems with some iPhone app crashes and iPad update failures (and that I can find some others who are having the same problem), does that mean I should start spewing that I can't recommend iPhone/iPad to anyone? No; that's absolutely idiotic.
Also, pretending nothing is wrong isn't even the "new" Microsoft way. Do you actually read articles here? They're always issuing reports regarding problems Microsoft has acknowledged that they are actively working on fixes for... did you miss the entire debacle on Surface Pro 4/Surface Book connected standby?
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I bought two Lumia 640s from MS Store when they were $38 each and gave them to my kids for Christmas. I asked the kids if they were willing to try Windows 10 and they went nuts (12 yr old girl & 9 yrs old boy). Now please take note we are the only family that uses WP Mobile. Wife and I both have 1520's. Girl had a 520 then 535. All they do is use and compare phones and platforms with their friends all using Iphones and Androids. I say that because I want you all to understand they are the stark minority in a group where EVERYTHING is about their phones and if their phones weren't up to par we would hear it. I'm talking about their peers having Iphone 6'sand the newest LG and Samsung Androids along with Ipads, IPad Minis and IPods'.
Ok. So we updated one phone to WP10 (the boy's with no data plan). It looked so damn good the girl insisted she was updated. Half of her contacts were gone and none of his apps would update. I created a family account for him and upped his age so his apps then updated. I then did a hard reset on both phones the next morning. This eliminated the battery drain. Then both phones found the newest update and I installed that for them and did a hard reset. She got back all her contacts. She is just wowing over all the great features and no complaints on the hardware or software. Both get better battery life than their friends devices and find the Android and iOS platforms stale. They both get email, Kik, Netflix, Hulu, Pandora can take selfies have a great regular camera can tap to share with NFC and tons of games to play. Favorite app is Mytube. Crushes on YouTube apps from any platform and believe me when I tell you, Youtube is the MTV of today's generation. These kids watch it for hours at a time in groups and have these videos going viral.
So my point is, the damn ecosystem is fine. It can grow with more dev support, but tons of these devs simply hate MS. I have two cousins who work at Google Irvine. They are about 30 and they rail on MS all day and they are the norm. Should the 950 & 950XL come out with major issues - HELL NO. Still in the past few weeks these have been addressed with firmware updates. I'm surrounded by people with tons of issues on their Androids and iPhones with messaging, resets, etc.... but reviewers are ****ting on the platforms daily. I'm talking about phones unable to get the newest OS, apps unable to update without the newest OS on the hardware unable to update, messaging issues and hardware that simply cracks, shatters and breaks after a drop or two. I'm amazed at the fragility of these other products.
If you ********, moaning, unhappy complainers who look for every flaw in these products are so disappointed, speak with your money. Buy what you like and what you feel is the best value for your money. That's all these major corporations listen too. If the Android and iOS platforms are that much better for you, than you should be purchasing them. Hell most people are on Verizon and can't get WP products anyway. The market share is less than 3% after all these years. For those of us who love what we have, we are lucky this MULTI-BILLION $ INTERNATIONAL company even is interested in our views and has outright came out and said it will be focusing on the low end markets,high end market and enthusiasts. At this point, we aren't here for the mobile takeover anymore so re-evaluate and asses how the approach is for our community. Let's build it from a realistic view.
Ok. So we updated one phone to WP10 (the boy's with no data plan). It looked so damn good the girl insisted she was updated. Half of her contacts were gone and none of his apps would update. I created a family account for him and upped his age so his apps then updated. I then did a hard reset on both phones the next morning. This eliminated the battery drain. Then both phones found the newest update and I installed that for them and did a hard reset. She got back all her contacts. She is just wowing over all the great features and no complaints on the hardware or software. Both get better battery life than their friends devices and find the Android and iOS platforms stale. They both get email, Kik, Netflix, Hulu, Pandora can take selfies have a great regular camera can tap to share with NFC and tons of games to play. Favorite app is Mytube. Crushes on YouTube apps from any platform and believe me when I tell you, Youtube is the MTV of today's generation. These kids watch it for hours at a time in groups and have these videos going viral.
So my point is, the damn ecosystem is fine. It can grow with more dev support, but tons of these devs simply hate MS. I have two cousins who work at Google Irvine. They are about 30 and they rail on MS all day and they are the norm. Should the 950 & 950XL come out with major issues - HELL NO. Still in the past few weeks these have been addressed with firmware updates. I'm surrounded by people with tons of issues on their Androids and iPhones with messaging, resets, etc.... but reviewers are ****ting on the platforms daily. I'm talking about phones unable to get the newest OS, apps unable to update without the newest OS on the hardware unable to update, messaging issues and hardware that simply cracks, shatters and breaks after a drop or two. I'm amazed at the fragility of these other products.
If you ********, moaning, unhappy complainers who look for every flaw in these products are so disappointed, speak with your money. Buy what you like and what you feel is the best value for your money. That's all these major corporations listen too. If the Android and iOS platforms are that much better for you, than you should be purchasing them. Hell most people are on Verizon and can't get WP products anyway. The market share is less than 3% after all these years. For those of us who love what we have, we are lucky this MULTI-BILLION $ INTERNATIONAL company even is interested in our views and has outright came out and said it will be focusing on the low end markets,high end market and enthusiasts. At this point, we aren't here for the mobile takeover anymore so re-evaluate and asses how the approach is for our community. Let's build it from a realistic view.
I like your post. You point out what I have shared for a long time: If all the apps you need are on the Windows Phone, it's a great OS.
I have two phones. I have my business line ( after 33 years ) now on an iPhone 6+. Yes, it does have it's issues but then what device doesn't ? I had to do that because there are business apps ( banking, real estate apps necessary to do business, building security apps, etc ) that I do need, and they are not currently available on the Windows Phone. I do like the fact I can also answer calls on my iPad at my desk. My secondary phone is a Lumia Icon. I've gone through all of the stages so far with Win 10 Mobile, and keep it current. The camera is now working better. Battery life is not as good as the 6+, but I do have charging sticks so I can handle that. The main issue is apps. The ones I really need are not available on WinPhone so it cannot be my primary.
Perhaps the main difference for me is I've been in this journey ( personal computing / cell phones, etc ) for over 33 years professionally. I'm a software developer ( large scale business management systems, not appropriate for tablets or phones ). Having seen so much progress, I know the future brings a lot of promise. I fully expect apps to return to Win Phone as Win 10 universal apps increase, and I know it's just a matter of time untl full text messaging and phone calls appear on Windows desktops. I have no problem being patient, even at my nearly 7 decades of age.
The key to obtaining any device is to see what meets one's actual needs, not it's gimmicks !
I have two phones. I have my business line ( after 33 years ) now on an iPhone 6+. Yes, it does have it's issues but then what device doesn't ? I had to do that because there are business apps ( banking, real estate apps necessary to do business, building security apps, etc ) that I do need, and they are not currently available on the Windows Phone. I do like the fact I can also answer calls on my iPad at my desk. My secondary phone is a Lumia Icon. I've gone through all of the stages so far with Win 10 Mobile, and keep it current. The camera is now working better. Battery life is not as good as the 6+, but I do have charging sticks so I can handle that. The main issue is apps. The ones I really need are not available on WinPhone so it cannot be my primary.
Perhaps the main difference for me is I've been in this journey ( personal computing / cell phones, etc ) for over 33 years professionally. I'm a software developer ( large scale business management systems, not appropriate for tablets or phones ). Having seen so much progress, I know the future brings a lot of promise. I fully expect apps to return to Win Phone as Win 10 universal apps increase, and I know it's just a matter of time untl full text messaging and phone calls appear on Windows desktops. I have no problem being patient, even at my nearly 7 decades of age.
The key to obtaining any device is to see what meets one's actual needs, not it's gimmicks !
Next year, at this rate, Windows will have 0.45% market share
Windows 10 Mobile is a horrible unoptimized mess and a horrible idea to get it out for sale with new phones. If the happy lifestyle guy really got fired he deserves it!
The right way to go forward is not by moving backwards.
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I have to agree. And I love Windows phone. I have a 640 XL running windows 10. I don't care if it's a midrange phone. It's not just the performance. To save time, it would be easier to say ditto. He really did nail it.
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Because iOS is in its 9th iteration while Win10 Mobile is brand new. You have to be committed to seeing this grow to be in at this early stage. Yes its buggy. Yes it can drive you crazy, but let me assure you that iOS was exactly the same on the very first iPhone release. I have had every release of the phone and OS and I am tired of the apple ecosystem. I will never switch to android as long as there is blood flowing through my veins so I wanted to give Microsoft another try. I don't understand people who judge others for their phone choice. Go with what you like and try and be a contributor rather than pointing the finger (rhyming not intentional). :wink:
Probably the best Lumia 950 review I've come across. Definitely Microsoft should take the points on the review more seriously.
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I read these same things after EVERY WP reboot. Almost word for word from different people. It was said when WP7 launched, then 8, then 8.1, and now again with W10M. Too many apologists for a company who clearly does not deserve them. They'll NEVER catch up in the app gap or sales. Just deal with it and accept your Windows phone for what it is everybody. At least until the next reboot.
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I've been with win since win7, and trust me, new or not, Microsoft have so much potential yet......sigh
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Spot on. That's why I picked up a Galaxy S6 Edge+. I'll wait for the Panos Phone. I get the feeling that Nokia has this phone in the pipeline and MS released it to recoup some money. You can be sure that W10 will be complete on the Panos Phone.
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Trust me, windows is for its productivity, but what annoys me the most, is their apps really works perfectly on other OS. Why is it so hard for it to work the same on its home ground?????? smh... they need to do better for real... I have been with them since win7, and trust me, I need another phone as well to be current in this world. Using their phone alone would make you very outdated
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