Track WP8.1 + Lumia Cyan Rollout!

[mccririck]

Looks like 29th July to 1st August for the 920.

 

[amitmenon]

There's the leaked Benelux release roadmap picture by evleaks:
Supposed Lumia Cyan update schedule leaks for Benelux region | Windows Phone Central

well MS never released cyan update on the given link. That link shows that cyan will come by June last week, but in reality MS released cyan in the middle of July

 

[David P2]

The time scale at the top signifies the week number in the year, and "The big caveat here is that these dates are for ?open market variants? and not ? we repeat not ? carrier branded devices. As the document notes, those dates are subject to change, pending final approval."

In other words, the schedule can't be taken as final.

 

[Con Georgiadis]

There's the leaked Benelux release roadmap picture by evleaks:
Supposed Lumia Cyan update schedule leaks for Benelux region | Windows Phone Central

Everything is going according to plan.First phones to take the update are 925,1520 and 1020.The first two have already received the update....so tomorrow will be definitely 1020.

 

[seq1]

Everything is going according to plan.First phones to take the update are 925,1520 and 1020.The first two have already received the update....so tomorrow will be definitely 1020.

Then how did Lumia 625 get it?

Btw even I want Lumia 1020 to get it, as I downgraded my phone to WP8 by mistake.

 

[pattyland]

I will never understand how this upgrade fragmentation, delays etc can happen... I have a Lumia for the time my iPhone is repaired, Apple always released an update for all devices in the world... Why you make differences between countries and more strange between carriers? To make them check if their bloatware can run?!
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[Sgthree]

I will never understand how this upgrade fragmentation, delays etc can happen... I have a Lumia for the time my iPhone is repaired, Apple always released an update for all devices in the world... Why you make differences between countries and more strange between carriers? To make them check if their bloatware can run?!
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I am very critical of the time this has taken to roll out, but even I recognise the fact that Apple have a VERY small range of phone (often just one) to test, and exercise ABSOLUTE control over their products (even though users have purchased them, Apple still keep control over what is on them and how they operate.

Like with the old PeeCee vs Mac / Windoze vs OSx argumments, Yes, OSx tends to run more reliably as there is a very small number of machine configurations (all based around pretty much identical chip sets) for Apple to have to accommodate with their OS. Windoze has to be able to run smoothly on an infinite number of machine hardware variations, so the challenge for MS is much greater than that ever faced by the ferocious controlling culture of Apple.

 

[David P2]

For iOS7: iPhone 4, 4S, 5, 5S, 5C
For iOS8: drop the original 4, and add the 6 series.

WP8: HTC models (3, I believe?), Samsung Ativ models (2 or 3?), Lumia 520, 521, 525, 620, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925, 928, 929 (aka Icon), 1020, 1320, 1520. 63x and 930 are not included as they come with Cyan preinstalled. 810 is missing because it isn't supported beyond Amber.

Apple has always been based around a sole chipset/specific parts. The old 68k and early PowerPC Macs all used very generic hardware, which had support built into the ROM and Toolbox. And very controlling - all MacOS versions forced people to upgrade the whole computer because the installation script made checks and if that particular Mac wasn't on the list, it refused to install. Intel Macs are no different in that regard, except I think it looks at the identifier in the ROM and if it's not on the installer's list, again it won't install.

With regards to the Benelux roadmap that was leaked, that information was "subject to change", so can't be taken as definitive and final. Also the time scale used is week numbers, not actual dates. In other words, you can't rely on it for release schedules.

 

[pattyland]

@Sgthree Hm, I can only imagine of one update thas was only for one phone, and even there is was one for the GSM and one for the CDMA version. Al other versions were released for a wider range, let's take iOS 7.0 as an example: 20 devices. I think there even less Lumia's who are getting the cyan update! And I think

@David P2: As you may read in my comment to Sgthree, your forgot all the iPod's, iPad's and Apple TV's! iOS7 got released for 20 devices all over the world for all carriers.

@Both: I totally understand this scenario for computers. I cannot imagine what time it must take to verify that a Windows 8.1 Update run fine on the infinite number of configurations. But I don't understand why it is not possible to release an update for 15 (?) phones at the same time. How is it possible that the Lumia 520 in France with Orange got cyan why all others not? How is that even possible while the county variant in France is not released? I would even understand if the branded version came bit later than the CV version, because it take some time to verify the modifications after the CV runs fine. One other great thing Apple did: Forbid "carrier versions". I don't get why Google and Apple are the only companies who forbid carries to bungle with their OS's...

 

[David P2]

@Sgthree Hm, I can only imagine of one update thas was only for one phone, and even there is was one for the GSM and one for the CDMA version. Al other versions were released for a wider range, let's take iOS 7.0 as an example: 20 devices. I think there even less Lumia's who are getting the cyan update! And I think

@David P2: As you may read in my comment to Sgthree, your forgot all the iPod's, iPad's and Apple TV's! iOS7 got released for 20 devices all over the world for all carriers.

Apple TVs, iPods and iPads aren't phones. They don't have the capability of producing cellular phonecall or data connection, therefore don't require the approval of a carrier - because there isn't one. Example - you don't see Verizon branded Apple TVs, or AT&T iPods.

 

[Sgthree]

@Sgthree Hm, I can only imagine of one update thas was only for one phone, and even there is was one for the GSM and one for the CDMA version. Al other versions were released for a wider range, let's take iOS 7.0 as an example: 20 devices. I think there even less Lumia's who are getting the cyan update! And I think

@David P2: As you may read in my comment to Sgthree, your forgot all the iPod's, iPad's and Apple TV's! iOS7 got released for 20 devices all over the world for all carriers.

@Both: I totally understand this scenario for computers. I cannot imagine what time it must take to verify that a Windows 8.1 Update run fine on the infinite number of configurations. But I don't understand why it is not possible to release an update for 15 (?) phones at the same time. How is it possible that the Lumia 520 in France with Orange got cyan why all others not? How is that even possible while the county variant in France is not released? I would even understand if the branded version came bit later than the CV version, because it take some time to verify the modifications after the CV runs fine. One other great thing Apple did: Forbid "carrier versions". I don't get why Google and Apple are the only companies who forbid carries to bungle with their OS's...

As you point out there may be a number of Apple products that received iOS7, however, they are all manufactured by the same company, that refuses to allow anyone else to develop software for their hardware (I am surprised the European competition commission haven't jumped on this like they did with Microsoft and Internet Explorer, but that's for another time).

The point is Apple control ALL the software for ALL Apple products, and therefore their testing and understanding of the products is always going to be much simpler, as they do not have to deal with 3rd party manufacturers (outsourced components are so tightly controlled by Apple they might as well be in-house). I understand one of the delays in getting WP8.1 to the developer stage was getting compatibility with H..... something (the chinese ones) - something Apple have never had to contend with.

 

[pattyland]

@David P2: Actually 3G iPads can, but that's not the point. I don't get why a carrier should approve an update for a phone... All phones connect to all carriers (beside the cdma/gsm thing, which I don't understand why there is not one standard), or not? I was in France in the last weeks, Orange didn't come to me and ask me to change something on my phone to use the cellular network lol

Of course there are special features like Visual Voicemail, that are not supported from all carries: iPhone: Wireless carrier support and features But I don't think Apple give's a f*** wether a carrier approve their new features or not.

I don't want do start a war here, but I simply don't understand this update politic. Mostly the "cyan only for one carrier in one county" ><

 

[Sgthree]

@David P2: Actually 3G iPads can, but that's not the point. I don't get why a carrier should approve an update for a phone... All phones connect to all carriers (beside the cdma/gsm thing, which I don't understand why there is not one standard), or not? I was in France in the last weeks, Orange didn't come to me and ask me to change something on my phone to use the cellular network lol

Of course there are special features like Visual Voicemail, that are not supported from all carries: iPhone: Wireless carrier support and features But I don't think Apple give's a f*** wether a carrier approve their new features or not.

I don't want do start a war here, but I simply don't understand this update politic. Mostly the "cyan only for one carrier in one county" ><

I think we have to accept that the industry is far from perfect, and it seems the carriers are pulling too much power. WP is a minority OS globally, we all know that, and where Andriod and iOS do have the advantage is that they can tell the carriers what to do more than WP can.

My thoughts are that the whole thing needs restructuring to be CUSTOMER focussed, and not simply serve what suits the industry giants.

 

[Silviu Bogusevschi]

@David P2: Actually 3G iPads can, but that's not the point. I don't get why a carrier should approve an update for a phone... All phones connect to all carriers (beside the cdma/gsm thing, which I don't understand why there is not one standard), or not? I was in France in the last weeks, Orange didn't come to me and ask me to change something on my phone to use the cellular network lol

Of course there are special features like Visual Voicemail, that are not supported from all carries: iPhone: Wireless carrier support and features But I don't think Apple give's a f*** wether a carrier approve their new features or not.

I don't want do start a war here, but I simply don't understand this update politic. Mostly the "cyan only for one carrier in one county" ><

It's all about support. Apple itself provides support for its devices, while for WP the support is provided by the carriers.

 

[OneDriver88]

MSFT should have themselves support ALL of the phones they have out. Not just the carriers.

 

[David P2]

Of course there are special features like Visual Voicemail, that are not supported from all carries: iPhone: Wireless carrier support and features But I don't think Apple give's a f*** wether a carrier approve their new features or not.

I don't want do start a war here, but I simply don't understand this update politic. Mostly the "cyan only for one carrier in one county" ><

I think that's more a case of Apple dictating what carriers are allowed, and if they deviate, they retract permission to sell their devices, and naturally the carriers don't want that.

But I agree - no wars are needed. Especially if you're in the war room :smile: (very specific cult film reference there). Fortune cookies for those that get the the film.

 

[Hans Korving]

Everybody, please notice, wp8.1GDR1 is about to Be releases..perhaps thats why the whole update is delayed...maybe, we all Get 8.1GDR1 as an update...

 

[vivek tyagi]

Source?????

 

[vivek tyagi]

Mera number kab aayega...L1320

 

[M0TH3R_FR4GG3R]

Well.. just for fun & Pun intended, here is a treat for T-Mobile users :

T-Mobile Customer Support Rage Prank

Anyways, hope Nokia/Microsoft releases the update Cyan for ALL Lumia devices at once, that will be a SUPER TREAT !