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  1. TheCudder's Avatar
    What kind of needs? Apps? so a good OS is judged by the amount of app that you can use?
    This is the main reason it's stuck at 3% market, so yes.

    Yes, regardless of what many people here say, apps are the most important part of a smartphone to many(if not most) people. What would Windows desktop be if it didn't have all of the programs and PC games? Would people still want to use it? No, they wouldn't. It is the same with phones.

    These pocket computers we carry around are like a toolbox, the more tools they have(apps), the better they are. A toolbox that simply looks the best but has the least amount of tools inside is not what most people would want.
    Well put. To add on to your reply, it's not about iOS and Android having a huge number of apps, it's the quality and availability of them. The app gap is not defined by Microsoft having their version of the "Top 50" apps, it's those apps that aren't ranked. Banking apps (local, regional and national), drug store apps, grocery and coupon apps, credit card apps, education apps, automobile apps, automation apps --- Windows has next to no support in those key areas, these are tools people use on a day to day basis --- whether its depositing checks, transferring cash, filling a prescription, studying for tests, tracking credit card rewards, starting your vehicle, checking your vehicles health report or linking up to it's built in infotainment system... having a WP will either leave you left out, using a third party option or struggling with a barely supported first party option. Even the "good" apps on WP are rather lackluster when compared to the features available in their iOS and Android counterparts.

    Windows Phone is a great OS, but gone are the days of using your phone for mainly calls, texts, pics and internet. So a smartphone is only as smart as the tools available to it. iOS is a pretty boring OS and I've never liked it, but I will be the first to admit that it is the most powerful and feature rich of the 3 because of the apps available to it
    03-01-2015 01:32 PM
  2. JP8296's Avatar
    This is the main reason it's stuck at 3% market, so yes.



    Well put. To add on to your reply, it's not about iOS and Android having a huge number of apps, it's the quality and availability of them. The app gap is not defined by Microsoft having their version of the "Top 50" apps, it's those apps that aren't ranked. Banking apps (local, regional and national), drug store apps, grocery and coupon apps, credit card apps, education apps, automobile apps, automation apps --- Windows has next to no support in those key areas, these are tools people use on a day to day basis --- whether its depositing checks, transferring cash, filling a prescription, studying for tests, tracking credit card rewards, starting your vehicle, checking your vehicles health report or linking up to it's built in infotainment system... having a WP will either leave you left out, using a third party option or struggling with a barely supported first party option. Even the "good" apps on WP are rather lackluster when compared to the features available in their iOS and Android counterparts.

    Windows Phone is a great OS, but gone are the days of using your phone for mainly calls, texts, pics and internet. So a smartphone is only as smart as the tools available to it. iOS is a pretty boring OS and I've never liked it, but I will be the first to admit that it is the most powerful and feature rich of the 3 because of the apps available to it
    So MS needs desperately to start supporting companies to build apps for their ecosystem? this seems like if I was a land owner and i have to pay someone work there and they keep the goodies.
    03-01-2015 01:46 PM
  3. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    Its sad to say but its the truth.
    Apps are the extension of the o.s. Without them it will die a quick death.
    That's the main reason why people don't choose for a different platform.
    When i look at some tv shows where you can participate with apps its always android and ios.
    A lot of webpages also have issues with the wp webbrowser....that's not the fault of ms but it's the way how WebPages are build. But people don't care for that, they just want it to run everything they want and don't care about the how's and the why's.
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    03-01-2015 01:59 PM
  4. JP8296's Avatar
    Its sad to say but its the truth.
    Apps are the extension of the o.s. Without them it will die a quick death.
    That's the main reason why people don't choose for a different platform.
    When i look at some tv shows where you can participate with apps its always android and ios.
    A lot of webpages also have issues with the wp webbrowser....that's not the fault of ms but it's the way how WebPages are build. But people don't care for that, they just want it to run everything they want and don't care about the how's and the why's.
    I think that MS keeps falling on show off their stuff. MS Marketing department is a joke, I'm from Portugal and I never Saw an ad on tv about WP. I think , and I hope i'm wrong, that there are a lot of people out there that never heard about WP. There's no doubt that the Os is amazing, super smooth, maybe the most secure of all 3 an with some features that that kills the other two, like People Hub is way ahead of any contact list on Android and Iphone not to mention the integration with the socials networks. Yeah MS really need to change their game because a lot more good publicity bring a lot more user and with that more developers and more 'official apps'.
    03-01-2015 02:26 PM
  5. TheCudder's Avatar
    So MS needs desperately to start supporting companies to build apps for their ecosystem? this seems like if I was a land owner and i have to pay someone work there and they keep the goodies.
    Microsoft already tried this approach a couple of years ago. They were offering $100 for any app published, up to $2,000 per developer. And offered up to $100,000 for what I would guess was limited to big player dev's and apps.
    03-01-2015 02:48 PM
  6. ajst222's Avatar
    More people downgrading the actual problems facing Windows Phone is exactly what we need!
    03-01-2015 03:50 PM
  7. JP8296's Avatar
    More people downgrading the actual problems facing Windows Phone is exactly what we need!
    Maybe...but let's not talk like WP is doomed like lot of people suggest.
    03-01-2015 04:08 PM
  8. ajst222's Avatar
    Maybe...but let's not talk like WP is doomed like lot of people suggest.
    It's certainly not in a great place, and it's best not to ignore its shortcomings and where it needs to be improved
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    03-01-2015 04:12 PM
  9. JP8296's Avatar
    No OS is perfect and I think that MS did a great job with the OS itself..of course that there is room for improvements and that's will be W10 job's...Will succeed or not? well, that will be the app talk all over again.
    03-01-2015 04:24 PM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    You know what? I have the Lumia 1520 recently updated to Denim. Not exactly sure what all this brings to my life except for Hey Cortana and a quicker camera launch. I'm sure there is more but I'm not trying to do a Denim review here. On the way to dinner last night I had Waze navigation on when I decided I wanted to send my son a text of where we would be if he wanted to join us. With XM radio on, I said, "Hey Cortana, send a text message". The radio faded and Cortana lit up my 1520. Asked me to whom I was sending the text and then what I wanted to say. After a few minutes, my son text back and Cortana read the message. After that, back to XM radio and Waze.

    The word I want to use here with "the world "is illegal for the board but it rhymes with stuck. My experience with Windows Phone is important to me. I've learned that as much as I want for development for SnapChat to supported, for now, I find I can live perfectly fine without it. I trust at some point, SnapChat will hit the platform officially but until it does, I'm good. I mean really good. What I get from my experience with WP can't be beat on any other platform.
    This was Lola's Louisiana Kitchen's Bananas Foster Bread Pudding. OMG. Pic taken with my Lumia 1520 / Denim. W/O Flash in low light.
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    03-01-2015 05:03 PM
  11. princeegli's Avatar
    That looks good
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    03-01-2015 05:10 PM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    That looks good
    It was good. The bread pudding was hot with that scoop of vanilla bean ice cream on top. Off the chain princeegli.
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    03-01-2015 05:24 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It was good. The bread pudding was hot with that scoop of vanilla bean ice cream on top. Off the chain princeegli.
    Thanks Jaz, I'm tying to get under 210 and you pimp-slap me with that bread pudding. Did you wash that down with a good Cognac?
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    03-01-2015 08:20 PM
  14. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Microsoft isn't exactly a cool company and Windows isn't exactly a cool brand.

    Then there's this:
    You can buy one phone. You have a choice between two phones that have any app under the sun. You might not know if you want them, but the games and time wasters are there. Then you have a third option. It isn't much cheaper, and it's lacking in the "can do anything through apps" thing. Which do you think people are going to choose?
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    03-01-2015 09:30 PM
  15. nycny's Avatar
    What kind of needs? Apps? so a good OS is judged by the amount of app that you can use?
    Cisco VPN for me is a deal killer.
    I cannot access my companies vpn.
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    03-01-2015 09:40 PM
  16. Alain_A's Avatar
    Cisco VPN for me is a deal killer.
    I cannot access my companies vpn.
    I thought in windows phone you could set up any company's vpn manually???
    03-01-2015 10:42 PM
  17. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    When I left WP and got my HTC M8 Android I was extremely happy to be able to have my phone do what I wanted it to do and have the option to have first choice of apps.

    Now that sounds terrible because I loved the 1520 I had but some of the little things that I had to deal with drove me back to Android.

    For the longest time I bought into the safe route by believing 3rd party apps were just as good and defended the platform when my Android friends mentioned this to me.

    The app gap isn't fiction it is real and matters to millions of people who have their own needs and preferences, so acting like WP is the best os is delusional to those who are honest with themselves. I will say this because this is the truth, if every app was available for WP as they are on the other platforms, WP market share would be larger, but nothing compared to IOS or Android, it just wouldn't be as dismal.

    People have to be able to feel that they will be able to look forward to new apps all the time and the ones they like and use will be updated regularly. It matters because of perception of worth. WP doesn't offer this perception to the people who want a smartphone.

    The reason that the perception is WP is dead is because Microsoft has allowed it to be this way.

    It doesn't matter that there is a app gap when you have a company that goes balls to the wall and promotes the living daylights out of the phone with award winning commercials. When the company does this and commits millions in advertising that is relevant to the public even if it has shortcomings it shows that they are behind the product that they are promoting. If they are perceived by the public as being committed development of apps will be vastly improved. People who are looking for a new device will have their interest up. If the carriers know that a company is committed and throwing millions into advertising they will want to cash in on the advertising to make money.... They will promote the hell out of it and have their sales force promote it in the stores.. They will lead the customers to them because more and more people will come in asking for them...
    It all goes back to Microsofts lack of commitment of the platform. They have to put up or get out of the game.

    A great series of commercials like those of Apple is what is needed to get people excited about the platform then follow through with the software on time or ahead of schedule and for the love of God have some top end phones to compete with the other platforms. People want the best, they may not have the cash for it but with the programs that are out now even the most expensive one is in reach for many.

    Why the hell should companies build apps for a platform when the company that owns it appears to not damn about it?

    Perception is the name of the game here. Why does Apple do so well... Perception... People buy because of it and it's not all about apps it's the perception that Apple has created about it.

    The iPhone has some serious shortcomings and you pay for the privilege of owning it from the cost of the phone to the cost of the apps. It's perceived to be a better phone and it's not really all that great. Apple has committed millions and millions building this perception and it's time for Microsoft to start doing the same thing.

    If Microsoft is one of the best software companies why aren't they spending the resources building the best applications for their own phones?

    Why aren't they spending the money on building the best top of the line phone?

    Commitment.....

    I truly want the platform to really stand out and compete... Hell we need more than just Android and IOS... but if Microsoft isn't willing to.... then no one is going to buy their phones.

    Cry me a river if you want but then build me bridge to get over it... Posted from my HTC M8
    Last edited by MDMcAtee; 03-01-2015 at 11:06 PM.
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    03-01-2015 10:46 PM
  18. Jazmac's Avatar
    03-02-2015 01:12 AM
  19. MSARUL's Avatar
    Windows phone needs better multitasking(Store can download apps in background, but browser can`t), Don`t need All apps, but important apps quality must par with android & IOS. Browser is very bad now(for some websites), hope spartan change that. Yes Performance wise WP is best, But there are certain drawbacks there, We must accept that!
    03-02-2015 03:24 AM
  20. Draconica5's Avatar
    Everything is wrong with this world!

    Microsoft used to do the right thing about UI experiences (menu at bottom), but no one accept it.
    Now they're doing the wrong thing to being success, everything on screen are out of your finger range now! That's how Android OS succeed to become popular!

    Microsoft wanted Nokia become a failure so they can buy the company at low cost! The cost is the failure of Windows Phone 7.

    Microsoft never care about the world! They only care about US and it never change, even though most of Lumia phones are not being purchased in US.

    Most of Lumia phone are made in Vietnam, and guess what? I never saw any Lumia phone on TV, they're all using iPhone on TV! How the hell this happened?

    Oh wait... no, It's Microsoft fault!
    03-02-2015 03:39 AM
  21. Jeemo's Avatar
    Let's not forget that Windows 10 will not only bring even more cross-developed software, but the shared bits will also be a significant factor in driving enterprise sales. I mean enterprise in terms of device menufacturers, as well as companies who need thousands of devices for their business.
    03-02-2015 06:10 AM
  22. tiziano27's Avatar
    WP is too different and not in a good way.
    03-02-2015 06:59 AM
  23. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Let's not forget that Windows 10 will not only bring even more cross-developed software, but the shared bits will also be a significant factor in driving enterprise sales. I mean enterprise in terms of device menufacturers, as well as companies who need thousands of devices for their business.
    That's all well and good, but for every 1 business phone there are 100000 personal phones and that is a conservative number.

    This means nothing to the individual wanting a phone from a company that actually cares about their needs.

    To convince the masses to buy they are going to have to refocus all their efforts on getting the word out about the phones. They are going to have to spend millions of dollars in advertising the phones not hololens tablets laptops desktops or anything else. Unequivocal commitment to the platform will be the only thing that can change the opinion from the tech sector to the salespeople to the individual buying a new phone.

    Apple knows this and has been doing this for years with a phone that has been lacking in many regards. Google has taken another route by getting out in front of the competition on advertising by showing they are all together but different... They are highlighting the fragmentation of the platform and are doing extremely well.

    Microsoft has to beat them at their own game and they sure as hell can't do this by giving away the store.

    I hate to say this but I don't think Microsoft cares about the phone division. They just care about getting people to use their services since they command the desktop and enterprise sectors. There is no other reason to believe otherwise.

    Laptops desktops tablets are pretty well established and more and more people are using them but if Microsoft truly wants to have it's phones used in massive numbers then they have to become a leader in providing the incentive to use a WP over a iPhone or Android phone. They have to be out in the public eye on every medium constantly. They are the only ones who can change public opinion and turn it around.

    Cry me a river if you want but then build me bridge to get over it... Posted from my HTC M8
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    03-02-2015 08:22 AM
  24. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    "People disagree with me, so I'm going to go make a thread on an Internet forum and ask what's wrong with them because having a different opinion is appalling."

    The problem is with Microsoft. You said it yourself--they won't release a flagship, and it's such a sorry state when an OEM (even one whose hardware services switched hands last year) can't release a flagship on AT&T for 2.5 years. It's downright pitiful. as for the app issue, it's subjective. Sometimes, your job or life requires a set of software Windows Phone can't give you.

    The real question to ask is why you struggle to understand this.
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    03-02-2015 08:59 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    BlackBerry doesn't have half the market share that WP has, yet they're an enthusiastic bunch. No gloom and doom, no constant whining and no moaning about "BlackBerry doesn't care about us". People, grow up. It's a PHONE!!! Stephen Stills said it best "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with".
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    03-02-2015 09:14 AM
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