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  1. maevinj's Avatar
    as part of the agreement, Verizon has to unlock their own phones to work on other networks.
    This needs to be stickyed because this is what the agreement with the FCC states. Verizon can't sell phones that aren't unlocked. It states nothing about them not allowing other carries phone's on their network.
    10-14-2015 12:57 PM
  2. mjperry51's Avatar
    This needs to be stickyed because this is what the agreement with the FCC states. Verizon can't sell phones that aren't unlocked. It states nothing about them not allowing other carries phone's on their network.
    LTE phones. . .
    10-14-2015 01:02 PM
  3. MikeSo's Avatar
    LTE phones. . .
    Their LTE spectrum is open to all phones. Their network uses CDMA for access control. Verizon is NOT required to allow any phone to be authorized for their network.
    10-14-2015 01:38 PM
  4. Trigger1018's Avatar
    Why is this still being discussed. Everything is speculation until one or both companies announce something its all misinformation. The only thing worse than no information is misinformation. Listen I want this phone as bad as any one, but I'm on Sprint so I'm screwed.

    Again in a perfect world anyone and everyone who wants this should be able to use and enjoy, but in our environment that's not possible.
    10-14-2015 01:49 PM
  5. Zalcron's Avatar
    I had my nexus 6 working on Verizon when it first came out, Verizon didn't support it. everything worked just fine and there was rumor that they weren't even going to support the nexus 6 at all. it was kind of a stupid workaround I had to do. I had to get my girlfriends htc remix and put it on my account, activate a new sim on the phone, the just popped the SIM in my nexus 6 and it activated and worked flawlessly. put the htc remix back on her account with her old SIM and that was that. the same thing will go for these phones, you'll be able to use the phone as long as you have a nano SIM attached to your account already. doesn't matter if Verizon supports them or carries them, as long as they have a few of the CDMA/LTE bands or just LTE bands, it'll work.
    10-14-2015 04:13 PM
  6. ksj1's Avatar
    I'm baffled as to why anyone would want to stay on Verizon. They were caught not so long ago putting a special tracking ID in your web traffic that can't be removed and it took them 6 months before they provided a way to opt out. They claimed 3rd parties couldn't use the ID just before a 3rd party said they would be using it. And now if you access an AOL owned web site (MapQuest, Tech Crunch, Huffington Post, etc) they are using it there to build user profiles of your web browsing behavior. Sorry, those people are evil if you ask me...
    10-14-2015 05:11 PM
  7. Mr. Brown's Avatar
    Agreed...holding on to mine too and I have a new. spare in a box too just in case. The phone is still quite good, camera still near the top of phone cameras...if we can get W10 to not drain the battery down so fast, I'd be happier with the ICON for a longer term.
    I really like my ICON but it get's terrible WiFi service compared to my Lumia 920 and my iPhone. I think the cell strength is worse too. Do you guys have the same problem?
    10-14-2015 05:21 PM
  8. mjperry51's Avatar
    Their LTE spectrum is open to all phones. Their network uses CDMA for access control. Verizon is NOT required to allow any phone to be authorized for their network.
    That's what I meant. . .
    10-14-2015 05:22 PM
  9. ACSPEAKERBOX's Avatar
    It is a shame. Just as I was thinking of going ALL Microsoft. SMH
    10-14-2015 06:06 PM
  10. gernerttl's Avatar
    I was at the Microsoft Store on Monday and the rep I talked to said that it will only work on AT&T and T-Mobile. That is for both the 950 and 950XL.
    10-14-2015 06:30 PM
  11. gernerttl's Avatar
    I'm baffled as to why anyone would want to stay on Verizon. They were caught not so long ago putting a special tracking ID in your web traffic that can't be removed and it took them 6 months before they provided a way to opt out. They claimed 3rd parties couldn't use the ID just before a 3rd party said they would be using it. And now if you access an AOL owned web site (MapQuest, Tech Crunch, Huffington Post, etc) they are using it there to build user profiles of your web browsing behavior. Sorry, those people are evil if you ask me...
    What does this have to do with whether or not the 950XL will work in Verizon's network? And for the record, AT&T was doing the exact same thing.
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    10-14-2015 06:32 PM
  12. falconrap's Avatar
    The open access agreement for the 700MHz spectrum that Verizon won on auction requires them to provide open access to their LTE bands. This does not include CDMA. But a phone that can run on LTE only would work or Verizon would have to fight the FCC over it. Of course, they've been caught ignoring the agreement in the past and tried to sue to remove it. So there is that.

    This is why MS just doesn't want to deal with them unless it's on MS' terms. I agree with them. Sucks for those who want to stay on Verizon, but if all of you speak up directly with them loud enough, and these Lumias sell enough phones, Verizon may eventually cave. Will this phone be a huge hit? Normally, I would say no, but then, there's been a lot of buzz and press on the phone and this whole carrier issue. Combined with the Surfacebook buzz, they might pull in a lot more customers than we think. To really get any movement with the carriers, however, these two models need to sell at least a couple of million units on AT&T and through retail channels. Who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-14-2015 09:45 PM
  13. ksj1's Avatar
    AT&T has stopped, Verizon has not and continues to insert trackers unless you explicitly opt out. Ad-blockers don't stop it.

    As for what it has to do with working on Verizon's network, the question is why you would want this or any other phone on a carrier who blatantly is tracking your every online action.
    10-14-2015 11:37 PM
  14. goodsit2's Avatar
    ...but if all of you speak up directly with them loud enough, and these Lumias sell enough phones, Verizon may eventually cave.
    I doubt that will make a difference. Verizon is going to wait for a surface phone. It was said that a surface phone in 2016 was within the realm of possibility and that is a brand with a name behind. While we see Lumia as a big name, it's pretty much unheard of to the rest of the customer base (at least in the US). By the time they see how well it is selling, the surface phone might be coming soon enough and they will just wait. IMO
    10-14-2015 11:41 PM
  15. OutlawFirebird's Avatar
    I'm baffled as to why anyone would want to stay on Verizon. They were caught not so long ago putting a special tracking ID in your web traffic that can't be removed and it took them 6 months before they provided a way to opt out. They claimed 3rd parties couldn't use the ID just before a 3rd party said they would be using it. And now if you access an AOL owned web site (MapQuest, Tech Crunch, Huffington Post, etc) they are using it there to build user profiles of your web browsing behavior. Sorry, those people are evil if you ask me...
    Some of us don't really have a choice on carries, some places have no GSM based carriers, were I'm at there is a small company called viaero wireless, and unlock GSM phones work on there network, but there network is not even close to as good as Verizon. As fare as speed and coverage goes.
    10-15-2015 02:02 AM
  16. Generalheed's Avatar
    I doubt that will make a difference. Verizon is going to wait for a surface phone. It was said that a surface phone in 2016 was within the realm of possibility and that is a brand with a name behind. While we see Lumia as a big name, it's pretty much unheard of to the rest of the customer base (at least in the US). By the time they see how well it is selling, the surface phone might be coming soon enough and they will just wait. IMO
    Ehh, there's still no guarantee that Verizon will carry the Surface Phone when it comes out...
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    10-15-2015 08:30 AM
  17. garak0410's Avatar
    Funny situation at work yesterday...our company owner saw me fiddling with my ICON and going back to 8.1 to load this new build on it, so I let him know my phone would be out for a bit. He said get yourself a top of the line iPhone 6s+. Tempting but I just love my Windows Phone. When he saw my phone was back in order but I was commenting on how now Cortana is braining the battery on this build, he said, go on...get you an iPhone 6s+, 128GB. Oh, why is it so hard to pry this ICON out of my hand and why do I think there is hope for a Lumia 950xl working on Verizon eventually?
    10-15-2015 08:35 AM
  18. x I'm tc's Avatar
    Are you kidding? Do it! WP is dead!!!
    10-15-2015 08:54 AM
  19. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Ehh, there's still no guarantee that Verizon will carry the Surface Phone when it comes out...
    There is no guarantee Verizon will be ALLOWED to carry a Surface phone. Verizon would need to agree to MS updating the phones as they see fit. And it Verizon does that, there is no reason to think they wouldn't be allowed to sell 950s either. Surface phone would be even less desirable for Verizon to sell than the 950s. The demand for Surface phones would be lower due to a higher price and/or features only useful for business.
    Last edited by HoosierDaddy; 10-15-2015 at 09:28 AM.
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    10-15-2015 09:10 AM
  20. Christopher Senn1's Avatar
    Funny situation at work yesterday...our company owner saw me fiddling with my ICON and going back to 8.1 to load this new build on it, so I let him know my phone would be out for a bit. He said get yourself a top of the line iPhone 6s+. Tempting but I just love my Windows Phone. When he saw my phone was back in order but I was commenting on how now Cortana is braining the battery on this build, he said, go on...get you an iPhone 6s+, 128GB. Oh, why is it so hard to pry this ICON out of my hand and why do I think there is hope for a Lumia 950xl working on Verizon eventually?
    iPhone users bragging about how their out of date technology is the greatest and best? Shocker!!!

    I swear every time I hear iPhone users brag about new awesome features I really find myself saying 9 times out of 10 ya Android was doing that in 2013. Welcome to 3 years ago.
    10-15-2015 09:12 AM
  21. garak0410's Avatar
    iPhone users bragging about how their out of date technology is the greatest and best? Shocker!!!

    I swear every time I hear iPhone users brag about new awesome features I really find myself saying 9 times out of 10 ya Android was doing that in 2013. Welcome to 3 years ago.
    If I am given free reign to get a new phone, TODAY, it would be between holding on to my ICON, the iPhone 6s+ 128GB or the Note 5...Camera is the biggest thing for me, with the "Microsoft Experience" being the next...

    Heck, I'd pre-order the 950xl now if it worked with CDMA...
    10-15-2015 09:19 AM
  22. DavidinCT's Avatar
    SO, I saw an ad last night for AT&T for a 10 + 5Gb for the iPhone. Is this 15gb of data for $30 a month ? Wonder if this would work on the 950XL ?

    I have unlimited data but, to be honest with you, I have never used over 12gb in a month, so a 15gb plan as long as it had tethering option, would be something I would move to but, more than $30 a month for data is not going to work.

    Funny situation at work yesterday...our company owner saw me fiddling with my ICON and going back to 8.1 to load this new build on it, so I let him know my phone would be out for a bit. He said get yourself a top of the line iPhone 6s+. Tempting but I just love my Windows Phone. When he saw my phone was back in order but I was commenting on how now Cortana is braining the battery on this build, he said, go on...get you an iPhone 6s+, 128GB. Oh, why is it so hard to pry this ICON out of my hand and why do I think there is hope for a Lumia 950xl working on Verizon eventually?
    My company told me to pick out a phone, the Problem is, I have an ICON and there is not anything worthly or higher than the ICON on Verizon, so I might have to chose between the LG G4 or the iPhone 6s....ugh, wish Verizon would get their crap together....

    There is no way to win on Verizon....
    libra89 likes this.
    10-15-2015 09:19 AM
  23. Brett Sites's Avatar
    I will never switch to an Apple or Android device. I'll keep rocking with my Icon and wait for the next flagship on Verizon. I'd love the 950XL, but if it isn't meant to be, I'll wait.
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    10-15-2015 09:29 AM
  24. garak0410's Avatar
    I will never switch to an Apple or Android device. I'll keep rocking with my Icon and wait for the next flagship on Verizon. I'd love the 950XL, but if it isn't meant to be, I'll wait.
    That's the fence I'm on...the timing with the offer to get the top of the line iPhone and this latest build of Windows 10 on my ICON draining batter worse than ever, it has caused me to reflect...it is just to hard to have to try to go to Android or iOS. :(
    10-15-2015 09:35 AM
  25. Generalheed's Avatar
    There is no guarantee Verizon will be ALLOWED to carry a Surface phone. Verizon would need to agree to MS updating the phones as they see fit. And it Verizon does that, there is no reason to think they wouldn't be allowed to sell 950s either. Surface phone would be even less desirable for Verizon to sell than the 950s. The demand for Surface phones would be lower due to a higher price and/or features only useful for business.
    Verizon was planning to begin transitioning to an LTE only network by 2016-2017 by selling LTE only phones. Eventually they plan to drop support for 3G CDMA all together. So perhaps when that day comes, unlocked phones will finally be able to work on Verizon's network without needing a CDMA activation.
    10-15-2015 09:37 AM
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