Those areas are probably too lightly populated to justify building and maintaining a tower. Its the same in the Adirondacks. As for the stadium, possibly. They need to install special equipment or you'd have no signal in a subway. Maybe the stadium itself blocks (due to it being concrete and steel) the signals and required special equipment to compensate.
Will an "unlocked" 950XL work on Verizon?
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Those areas are probably too lightly populated to justify building and maintaining a tower. Its the same in the Adirondacks. As for the stadium, possibly. They need to install special equipment or you'd have no signal in a subway. Maybe the stadium itself blocks (due to it being concrete and steel) the signals and required special equipment to compensate.
thatotherdude24
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Unfortunately one of the best phones of the year is going to be dead before arrival whether any of us want to admit it or not. Windows Phone doesn't stand a chance with carrier exclusives.
I would hands down buy the 950XL but I am on Verizon and that's all that works in my area.
I would hands down buy the 950XL but I am on Verizon and that's all that works in my area.
tangledW
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Let me sum this up...
Microsoft is stupid...
Microsoft doesn't care...
Windows 10 mobile is doomed...
...because MY carrier won't be carrying it. Never mind their lack of support and down right hostile nature towards Windows phone and even Nokia for years.
Microsoft is stupid...
Microsoft doesn't care...
Windows 10 mobile is doomed...
...because MY carrier won't be carrying it. Never mind their lack of support and down right hostile nature towards Windows phone and even Nokia for years.
And your post does what to help this thread ? This is what is defined as being a Tro.....Oh, wait, I cant say it as you will get a warning on this site for it.
I try to call them as I see em'
bo_woods
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You've summed up exactly how many ppl upset about the lack of Verizon support have been responding.... Their written temper tantrums mean nothing
bo_woods
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Seriously? Saying the word "T..,...r....,0...11" on this site gets you a warning? I never knew that :\
falconrap
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T-Mobile started this push to carrier agnosticism by breaking the contracts up. It's time for all of us who are po'd about this to leave carriers like Verizon, if you can, and make sure they know why. As freedom to change becomes more common, eventually Verizon will be forced to reconcile itself to this new truth. They will need to start making sure they support the phones that people want, not just what they are willing to carry.
If you are stuck with them, you can still vehemently voice your displeasure. They need to hear it often.
If you are stuck with them, you can still vehemently voice your displeasure. They need to hear it often.
Jim_MAY
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Let’s ask who the real villain is, Microsoft or Verizon?
If Microsoft did not make the phones CMDA ready wouldn’t that make them the ones cheating Verizon customers since they are the ones that developed the phone?
This discussion is just all preliminary until Microsoft or Verizon confirms.
Gonna wait and see if the higher ups at Verizon dish out sensationalist lip like Marcelo of Sprint, and Legere of T-mobile.
I'll love to read that bile.
I'll love to read that bile.
PepperdotNet
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My theory. I have no factual information to back this up, it's just a gut feeling.
1. Microsoft designed and built a true "world phone" that supports every carrier.
2. FCC certification for CDMA requires some level of cooperation from Verizon.
3a. At some point, if MS and Verizon can reach an agreement, the necessary paperwork will be filed, and CDMA will be enabled via a firmware update pushed out by Microsoft to every 950 and 950XL.
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3b. At some point, if MS and Verizon can reach an agreement, we will see an announcement of a Lumia 951 or 951XL with a big ugly Verizon logo on it. And that one will be unlocked, but AT&T and T-Mobile LTE bands will be disabled. There will be an additional monthly fee to enable continuum. Verizon will have full control of updates. You will be able to special-order it during a two-month window beginning no earlier than 9 months after the announcement. Then it will be discontinued.
I'm hoping for 3a, but the pessimist in me says 3b is more likely.
1. Microsoft designed and built a true "world phone" that supports every carrier.
2. FCC certification for CDMA requires some level of cooperation from Verizon.
3a. At some point, if MS and Verizon can reach an agreement, the necessary paperwork will be filed, and CDMA will be enabled via a firmware update pushed out by Microsoft to every 950 and 950XL.
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3b. At some point, if MS and Verizon can reach an agreement, we will see an announcement of a Lumia 951 or 951XL with a big ugly Verizon logo on it. And that one will be unlocked, but AT&T and T-Mobile LTE bands will be disabled. There will be an additional monthly fee to enable continuum. Verizon will have full control of updates. You will be able to special-order it during a two-month window beginning no earlier than 9 months after the announcement. Then it will be discontinued.
I'm hoping for 3a, but the pessimist in me says 3b is more likely.
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TK2011
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Or 3c: There would be no agreement at all.
I actually suspect the software is probably just not ready for CDMA yet. It's barely ready for GSM deployment and usually CDMA takes backseat to GSM in terms of priority.
Bobvfr
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It is not a carrier exclusive, more a "We cannot waste our time and effort doing business with companies that end up hurting us". MS have not gone to AT&T and said here is our new phone, you can have it and no one else will get it, more like here is our new phone, do you want, and although we don't know the details of the conversations with Verizon, it probably went badly.....
Yes I'm well aware of that. Here are the VERIZON Lumia 735 specs.
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GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)
falconrap
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This has been answered numerous times on this thread. These are not the full specs of the 735. Here's the specs straight from their site:
Cellular connectivity[SUP]4[/SUP]
- GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
- GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
- GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
- WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
- WCDMA max data speed DL: 21.1 Mbps (Cat 14), 42.2 Mbps (Cat 24)
- WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
- LTE FDD network: Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz), Band 13 (700MHz), Band 20 (800MHz)
- LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
- LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)
- CDMA network bands: BC1 (1900 MHz), BC0 (850 MHz)
- CDMA max data speed DL: Rev 0 /A 2.4 Mbps /3.1 Mbps
- CDMA max data speed UL: Rev 0 /A 153.2 kbps /1.8 Mbps
Notice what is missing from your list that is in red? Verizon's LTE Band 13 (the high bandwidth 700MHz frequency that required VZW to offer all phones unlocked) and the CDMA bands BC1 and BC0.
The phone physically supports the bands (Snapdragons have the support built in), but the firmware has these bands locked out. Unless Verizon starts allowing phones to authenticate over LTE, the phone won't work. Furthermore, without the 700MHz band, you likely won't get the LTE signal strength and bandwidth that Band 13 gives.
emigrating
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It's not exclusive to any carrier - Microsoft are selling these, unlocked, to anyone who wants to buy it. They can then "activate" the phone on any network they choose. Hell, they're not even activating it, they're sticking a SIM card in it and the phone works.
The problem is that Verizon is an old dinosaur, using old stone age technology. CDMA? Really? The world moved on well over a decade ago. Parts of the world moved on well over two decades ago. Sure, the phone's hardware may support CDMA but it's not enabled, and my thoughts on this is below.
My take on this is; Verizon has historically been bad for Microsoft. Look at how they have treated Windows Phone in the past, they've historically taken all and every opportunity to screw Windows Phone users or force them into using a new phone.
The fact the 950's aren't supporting Verizon is Microsoft throwing a tantrum and purposely blocking CDMA in the Qualcomm SoC. The marketshare held by Windows Phone^W 10 Mobile is tiny in the US in the first place which means that Microsoft can easily afford to either, a) force Verizon subscribers to move to a different network or b) use a different phone/platform. It wont affect Microsoft's mobile marketshare either way, but it may "stick it to Verizon" like how they've done to MSFT in the past.
You might want to look up the specs again, because the CDMA specific ones are missing from your listing.
Someone should make a sticky, the 950XL will NOT work on Verizon. Every 2-3 pages here we get someone posting the bands of the 735 to compare to the 950XL and missing the CDMA bands on the 735.
The 950XL DOES NOT HAVE THE BANDS for Verizon, Period, it will not work, Close thread and create a sticky on this.
The 950XL DOES NOT HAVE THE BANDS for Verizon, Period, it will not work, Close thread and create a sticky on this.
Yes, you will get a warning on this site for flaming someone and in the terms, calling someone a "Troll" is on that list. I called someone out at one point, and I got a warning on this site for it.
read the terms of the site and you will see that..
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Charles Brown8
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Verizon may be using outdated tech but when current GSM tech covers where I need it to and i can make a phone call I will switch. Switching to gsm is not always a acceptable answer..
I also do not agree Microsoft can afford to shut out windows phone users new or existing due to a temper tantrum because they have low market share.. That's silly if you want to grow your market share. You cater to all potential customers if you want to grow, not just a select few because it's "that time of month"
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It's still not Microsoft's fault Verizon is the operator of choice in some areas though. There are plenty of opportunity to dethrone Verizon, smaller communal GSM networks for example. The point is, it's down to Verizon to offer phones their customers want - if enough people threaten to leave stating the lack of a 950XL as the reason, you will get a 950XL.
While it may be silly to "block" Verizon customers, it's pretty much a win-win for Microsoft. Sure, they lose out on some phone revenue, but they also "lose out" on support costs for the same. And since Microsoft is more and more turning into a services company, they'll be happy to provide you OneDrive, Outlook, OneNote, Office, Whatever services on any platform Verizon may carry.
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