2 Minutes made you change your opinion??

[pericle]

Oh man, the amount of hate in the community against the hamburger button is just hilarious.

I personally don't see why there is so much resistance to this. Even buttons on the top left can be reached with one finger by simply sliding the phone a little downwards in your palm.

 

[Slovenix]

Who ever invented Modern UI on Windows Phone should be proud. I shall find out later. I should get back to work now

 

[Slovenix]

Of course its just phones, but phones and design are my passion

 

[Slovenix]

No it's not hate, at least from me, It's called looking for something new and better, thats my moto.

 

[Slovenix]

This.

 

[Ma Rio]

I'm not wasting anymore of my life on this. I've said what I had to say, and I still stand by it. Hamburgers are bad, Microsoft is stupid for playin' catch-up, and bad solutions are bad.
Most of your are defending MS not because you really like the idea of a hamburger menu (nobody likes it because it's really bad), but because you feel the need to defend them because you use their products. This thread won't go anywhere from here. We can only wait and see what will happen, but it's pretty obvious that we'll be forced to use hamburger menus whether we like it or not. However, some will easily accept it and not think too much about it, and some will realise what is sacrificed in order to make place for the hamburger.

I'm sad it will go this way. I really thought Microsoft was different.

 

[slickxsparkie]

I like the hamburgers. Heck I even like the dots. But I'm adaptive and I can get used to stuff fairly easily. Whether it's either one, I'll know how to use my phone by the end of the day. I'll go read your arguments now.

 

[fatclue_98]

I like the hamburgers. Heck I even like the dots. But I'm adaptive and I can get used to stuff fairly easily. Whether it's either one, I'll know how to use my phone by the end of the day. I'll go read your arguments now.

Really, what's so hard about that?

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[Yazen]

Here is why Microsoft wants hamburger menus in Windows 10 for phone | Windows Central

Just yesterday, most of you were complaining about HAMBURGERs, and now you accept it??

BTW here's a story:
I bought Lumia 720 two years ago, I switched from Symbian so the most confusing part was the start screen, one page instead of 6, vertical instead of horizontal + it's something new different, IOS nor Android has it, so why not killing live tiles, bring the stupid simple icons so that IOS users won't be confused when switch.

being unique, being special, is not an issue, Ellipses, live tiles are inventions.

this is my opinion: I hate Hamburgers, the new outlook UI is terrible, 4.3inches killed my thumb, what would I do with 5.0!

oh! Lumia 1520 users, no body cares about you.

It is not about being different for the sake of being different, rather being the same for the sake of being the same.
For instance, why change black backgrounds to gray? What UI advantage does this give Lumia owners, especially ones with AMOLED displays?

Considering a BlackBerry Passport, but I will probably opt for an Xperia instead. Hell, not renewing Xbox services either. Nothing good about Windows Phone except for Nokia and Metro.

 

[HeyCori]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that WP apps are best when they use all three methods. I know a lot of people dislike the OneDrive app but I think it's great from a usability standpoint. Hamburger menu for the things I don't need immediate access too. Quick metro style swipes to change folders. Action buttons at the bottom.

I honestly hope more universal apps follow that design. I don't believe in an all or nothing approach, where all your functionality is either at the bottom or top. And I think as apps grow in features it's going to be a lot harder to fit everything at the bottom or access everything with a quick swipe.

For example, when I open the Xbox Music app, I have to swipe twice just to get to my collection. Why? Why couldn't a "collection" button be at the bottom with the other quick actions? What do I gain by all that swipe swipe swiping? Why is the settings link at the bottom? Why does it need to take up viable space at the bottom?

I think Xbox Music could benefit from a more OneDrive like design. And vice versa, OneDrive would look a lot better if it stole a little from Xbox Music. Bigger more unique fonts for one. OneDrive is high functionality with little design and Xbox Music is all design with gimped functionality. There needs to be a way to meet in the middle.

Right now a lot of apps are not meeting in the middle between functionality and design. But again, as many have said, we're still a very, very long way before Windows 10 is done and out.

 

[Joshwin]

people use action center more often than the hamburger menu which also requires two hands in bigger screens.So why the F**k are you complaining about hamburger menu alone?.Android is the largest mobile phone OS in the world but it has nothing but full of hamburger menus but no one is whining about it there, perhaps that is the reason why android is more matured.Here we have no decent apps and many features are still lacking yet we are whining about rotten hamburger menu. Just stop whining and concentrate more on new features rather than getting stuck on silly hamburger menu. because of this sh**ty fuss sure MS will get distracted and not be able to bring more features to WP10 then again you guys will cry about less features on wp10. Sure you wont be using hamburger 24hours a day..why not use the other hand just for a sec just like you use for bringing down the action center? for you one hand wankers out there,try using both hands, then you will find out totally new pleasure :winktongue: so please sod this rotten hamburger menu, we have had enough of it. concentrate more on what new features we can get on wp10 and give good feedbacks on it.

 

[Karan Madhyani]

Cant the ham burger menu be accesed by swiping from the left side of the screen/?

Is it only me or m i missing something?

 

[Slovenix]

Cant the ham burger menu be accesed by swiping from the left side of the screen/?

Is it only me or m i missing something?

Yes on Android

 

[Slovenix]

Don't worry I'm used to Hamburger, it's just not very cool in the way Microsoft uses it in some apps. I have never complained about it on Android, funny thing is that I was relieved when I started using WP, with this "new method" and using an Android again started to be annoying when I couldn't do things as fast as on WP.. That tells something uh??

 

[Don Geronimo]

For a lack of better words, I think too many people are getting their metaphorical undergarments in a bunch when complaining about the hamburger menu. I'm not happy about the UI changes going on in the Technical Preview either, but I'm willing to see what Microsoft is planning to do with the final product and give as much information, opinion, and feedback as I can to make sure the final product is a usable system in my eyes.

However, I think people are forgetting that UX guidelines are just that; guidelines. From a consistency standpoint, it makes sense to me to go about this route in the future with the convergence of Windows-as-a-Service for all sorts of devices. If apps in the future have the power to be run on a phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, convertible, all-in-one, Xbox, and other platforms (as shown in iOS and Android); it makes perfect sense to me to unify consistency between all the platforms to make sure a Microsoft-designed app is a consistent look and feel regardless of what platform it may be running on. It's in Microsoft's interest to make their apps look consistent across platforms to minimize the confusion users come upon when using their software from device to device, and to showcase their brand look across audiences. It should feel like a Microsoft product whether you use it on Windows 10, iOS, Android, and any other operating system Microsoft may want to pursue.

To encourage a consistency across the OS, I think it's encouraged that app developers follow that guideline, too, but I think it's an encouragement and not a requirement. <Hub> controls in XAML/C# are not going to be suddenly gone and stop working, and <PivotControls> for older apps that haven't transitioned to using <Hub> and other content controls aren't going to be going away anytime soon. People will still be able to develop applications for Windows in the ways they want, whether they want to jump in to the adaptive UI changes in code coming, or if they still want to use common shared code and different projects for each platform to define how the UI will look dependent on device.

I'm not saying it's all roses and honey; this flexibility added to the system can create user confusion as they traverse from app-to-app if and only if the design language between apps isn't unified, or if and only if developers won't accept following a new UX. Redesigning an app is expensive in time and resources; but thankfully it's not as expensive as it could've been, especially if it's already a universal app, and especially if it nicely follows MVVM; and thankfully the new changes aren't going to break existing universal apps, to my knowledge.

The best bet for now is to keep voicing opinions and keep giving feedback. However, I don't think complaining about how things are changing is helpful at all. It doesn't mean that the complaints are valid; I just don't think they're helpful, and that it seems very, very myopic.

 

[Slovenix]

For a lack of better words, I think too many people are getting their metaphorical undergarments in a bunch when complaining about the hamburger menu. I'm not happy about the UI changes going on in the Technical Preview either, but I'm willing to see what Microsoft is planning to do with the final product and give as much information, opinion, and feedback as I can to make sure the final product is a usable system in my eyes.

However, I think people are forgetting that UX guidelines are just that; guidelines. From a consistency standpoint, it makes sense to me to go about this route in the future with the convergence of Windows-as-a-Service for all sorts of devices. If apps in the future have the power to be run on a phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, convertible, all-in-one, Xbox, and other platforms (as shown in iOS and Android); it makes perfect sense to me to unify consistency between all the platforms to make sure a Microsoft-designed app is a consistent look and feel regardless of what platform it may be running on. It's in Microsoft's interest to make their apps look consistent across platforms to minimize the confusion users come upon when using their software from device to device, and to showcase their brand look across audiences. It should feel like a Microsoft product whether you use it on Windows 10, iOS, Android, and any other operating system Microsoft may want to pursue.

To encourage a consistency across the OS, I think it's encouraged that app developers follow that guideline, too, but I think it's an encouragement and not a requirement. <Hub> controls in XAML/C# are not going to be suddenly gone and stop working, and <PivotControls> for older apps that haven't transitioned to using <Hub> and other content controls aren't going to be going away anytime soon. People will still be able to develop applications for Windows in the ways they want, whether they want to jump in to the adaptive UI changes in code coming, or if they still want to use common shared code and different projects for each platform to define how the UI will look dependent on device.

I'm not saying it's all roses and honey; this flexibility added to the system can create user confusion as they traverse from app-to-app if and only if the design language between apps isn't unified, or if and only if developers won't accept following a new UX. Redesigning an app is expensive in time and resources; but thankfully it's not as expensive as it could've been, especially if it's already a universal app, and especially if it nicely follows MVVM; and thankfully the new changes aren't going to break existing universal apps, to my knowledge.

The best bet for now is to keep voicing opinions and keep giving feedback. However, I don't think complaining about how things are changing is helpful at all. It doesn't mean that the complaints are valid; I just don't think they're helpful, and that it seems very, very myopic.

That's the only reason I think why it should use the same look, but that still doesn't mean that it's better. I don't even know if Universal apps are that good idea anymore.. People want to use phones, not phone apps on PC.. You just use the fully featured web versions.. When I tell people you can use "phone" apps on your Windows 8+ PC they really don't give a shoe about it. No one likes the tiles anyway.

And well, how can we give feedback in a more "nice" way .. It's there on the uservoice already with tons of votes, but the ideas are not really taken into the mind..

 

[Don Geronimo]

And well, how can we give feedback in a more "nice" way .. It's there on the uservoice already with tons of votes, but the ideas are not really taken into the mind..

One thing that might help is to answer "why" it's better to change. Microsoft gave their stance as they wanted unification, and honestly nobody did an OS unification of this large in a very long time. If it's just complaints that it's worse, they don't really have much to go with.

 

[Slovenix]

And why complain about the forums, they were made to discuss, so there you go..

 

[Slovenix]

One thing that might help is to answer "why" it's better to change. Microsoft gave their stance as they wanted unification, and honestly nobody did an OS unification of this large in a very long time. If it's just complaints that it's worse, they don't really have much to go with.

Because there's not enough good reasons for me to say why it is better to use this "new" change I guess.. Only works well on PC.. On phone.. It's good cos then you have more space on the bottom.. And bad because you lose ease of use you had and the thing that actually made me try WP.

Well thats very helpful. Who is complaining ? People are just trying to find new ideas, and there's plenty of them out there.

Maybe some of you are too old to understand fresh ideas lol

We should actually encourage Microsoft to work on something new, fresh, simple to use, something sexy, relaxing, orgasmic to eyes, Interesting and so on, not just copy the same old thing LOL. Just like I've said, Kudos to people who "invented" Modern UI.

 

[Don Geronimo]

I think it's unfair to package wrap a statement that essentially says "People who are okay-with-these-changes/waiting-to-see-the-fruits-of-these-changes are too old to understand new ideas."

Microsoft isn't forcing developers to adhere to how they design, but it's in their best interest to unify their UX in all their platforms to prevent user confusion as their services are used from device to device. That interest applies to every third party too; they would want to unify their experience to give brand cohesion and reduce user confusion.

Microsoft is giving the developers the power to let people develop for any device or platform they support in a unified way: XAML/C#/WPF, Xamarin, HTML5/Javascript/Typescript, Cordova. To reduce confusion they have to decide how to lay out a UX that can work through all services. They are inviting others to follow suit, but the ways to design before are not going away.

The project of One Windows is ambitious to say the least. It's going to cause abrasion. However comments that hinder that development without feedback on how to keep that unifying goal in sight will hurt Windows's future goals.