Surface Pricing

[SeeVuPlay]

I think that Japanese restaurant is very overpriced
Oh wait...

I don't get what your saying

 

[Thomas Ozawa]

Yep, a joke.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

I think at the end of the day the surface is over priced because of what it offers at its high price point. Yes its a laptop replacement but at that price point you could get a killer laptop that runs the exact same OS. Maybe its not a touch screen but that doesn't seem to offset the price enough for a lot of people. Especially since a laptop can be upgraded and a surface can't.

 

[SeeVuPlay]

Fair enough, i just don't get the mentality that a company should give away their products for free... The argument that" ms is marketing it as laptop replacement" is not a reason why Billy Bob should get it for free.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

Fair enough, i just don't get the mentality that a company should give away their products for free... The argument that" ms is marketing it as laptop replacement" is not a reason why Billy Bob should get it for free.

When it comes to that it seems that it's kind of issue for people because Microsoft only showed the surface with the keyboard attachment. Most people would think it all came together as one product since that's the way it's marketed. It's like going in to buy an Xbox one with Kinect only to find out the Kinect is a separate product that cost extra.

 

[Oliverspin]

When it comes to that it seems that it's kind of issue for people because Microsoft only showed the surface with the keyboard attachment. Most people would think it all came together as one product since that's the way it's marketed. It's like going in to buy an Xbox one with Kinect only to find out the Kinect is a separate product that cost extra.

Do Xbox's come with controllers?

 

[Bora777]

Everyone who is saying it should be bundled is basically just saying that they want something for free.

I certainly don't expect a quality accessory like the Type Cover for free, and I think generalising people's sentiments that way is rather superficial. The crux of the pricing issue, in my opinion, is not how much the product is worth but how far Microsoft is willing to go to gain a foothold in a segment where it currently has miniscule market share. In a vacuum, the Surface Pro 3 and optional Type Cover are worth every penny. In the real world with established competing products and layman consumers, Microsoft has to work very, very hard to convince the buying public to switch to this new product which has the potential to change both the way they work and the weight of their bags, and the current pricing, justified or otherwise, is just not helping.

Lets face the facts, people will pay for quality. Apple has proved that for years.

Unfortunately that is not a fact, and to assume the Surface might enjoy the same treatment Apple products get in the marketplace simply on the basis of perceived quality would be na?ve. Microsoft simply does not have the branding clout that contributes to Apple product sales.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

Do Xbox's come with controllers?

My girlfriends 360 did. I'm not a gamer myself.

 

[SeeVuPlay]

I certainly don't expect a quality accessory like the Type Cover for free, and I think generalising people's sentiments that way is rather superficial. The crux of the pricing issue, in my opinion, is not how much the product is worth but how far Microsoft is willing to go to gain a foothold in a segment where it currently has miniscule market share. In a vacuum, the Surface Pro 3 and optional Type Cover are worth every penny. In the real world with established competing products and layman consumers, Microsoft has to work very, very hard to convince the buying public to switch to this new product which has the potential to change both the way they work and the weight of their bags, and the current pricing, justified or otherwise, is just not helping.

Again, you are just explaining why one should get it for free.

Market share is MS problem. Their marketshare has nothing to do with whether an individual should pay for an item. If you want to argue that they will sell more by giving it away, i would agree. But then that argument is more about marketshare than it is " it should be bundled because that's what i saw on tv"

 

[falconeight]

Again, you are just explaining why one should get it for free.

Market share is MS problem. Their marketshare has nothing to do with whether an individual should pay for an item. If you want to argue that they will sell more by giving it away, i would agree. But then that argument is more about marketshare than it is " it should be bundled because that's what i saw on tv"

You are extremely wrong and this is why. Microsoft spent an hour explaining the lapability of the SP3 and how it was lighter than the macbook air 13. He spent most of the time showing the keyboard and the surface in tandem. It was the main part of the marketing release video. The iPad was never mention and neither were any other tablets. Now if he would have talked about the SP3 on its own and at the end shown the colored type covers then yes I can see it not coming in the package but thats not the case. They aren't giving anything away, they are full filing the advertising that was given to us. The front page of microsoft.com has a SP3 with a blue type cover attached. This is Microsoft's biggest chance to have industry leading hardware and software but the price needs to be right. I real hope this product makes it.

 

[SeeVuPlay]

You are extremely wrong and this is why. Microsoft spent an hour explaining the lapability of the SP3 and how it was lighter than the macbook air 13. He spent most of the time showing the keyboard and the surface in tandem. It was the main part of the marketing release video. The iPad was never mention and neither were any other tablets. Now if he would have talked about the SP3 on its own and at the end shown the colored type covers then yes I can see it not coming in the package but thats not the case. They aren't giving anything away, they are full filing the advertising that was given to us. The front page of microsoft.com has a SP3 with a blue type cover attached. This is Microsoft's biggest chance to have industry leading hardware and software but the price needs to be right. I real hope this product makes it. View attachment 67436

None of what you say justifies why an accessory should be given away for free. MS is saying the cover costs $130. They want to sell you an item that will make the surface a better device than without. You havent explained to me why a buyer should not have to pay for a device accessory. All you have said is that it is an expectation based on a presentation. MS has never said it would be free. Think about it this way, they said look at how great this device is with the keyboard. It is amazing with the keyboard and it is really best with the keyboard....and you can add it for $130. People ASSUME that it would cost nothing more.

 

[SeeVuPlay]

When it comes to that it seems that it's kind of issue for people because Microsoft only showed the surface with the keyboard attachment. Most people would think it all came together as one product since that's the way it's marketed. It's like going in to buy an Xbox one with Kinect only to find out the Kinect is a separate product that cost extra.

Right, and now they are debundling the kinect and the XBOX one price without the kinect is reduced. So by the same token, if the keyboard was bundled with the surface, the price would reflect that, and buyers would in fact be paying for it. But thats not what some people here are suggesting. They are saying throw in the keyboard at that same cost so they dont have to pay extra. That is the same thing as wanting something for free.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

Right, and now they are debundling the kinect and the XBOX one price without the kinect is reduced. So by the same token, if the keyboard was bundled with the surface, the price would reflect that, and buyers would in fact be paying for it. But thats not what some people here are suggesting. They are saying throw in the keyboard at that same cost so they dont have to pay extra. That is the same thing as wanting something for free.

It's all a matter of marketing and presentation. Maybe if they just would've included the keyboard in the price as one bundled piece we wouldn't be having this conversation even if the price was higher lol. But as of right now A two thousand dollar laptop that can't be upgraded, doesn't have dedicated graphics card, only one USB port, and no keyboard but tries to make up for that by being thin and having a touch screen and a pen is not exactly a good price trade off for a lot of people. And this is based off of how it was presented.

 

[StevoPhilo]

It's all a matter of marketing and presentation. Maybe if they just would've included the keyboard in the price as one bundled piece we wouldn't be having this conversation even if the price was higher lol. But as of right now A two thousand dollar laptop that can't be upgraded, doesn't have dedicated graphics card, only one USB port, and no keyboard but tries to make up for that by being thin and having a touch screen and a pen is not exactly a good price trade off for a lot of people. And this is based off of how it was presented.

What you're not understanding is that it's NOT a laptop. It can be if you wanted it to be sure. It can also be a tablet if you wanted it to be.

Based off of what you're saying I could say, Well I could get a desktop computer with more RAM / dedicated graphics / easier to fix / cheaper to repair, but if I'm looking for portability than I wouldn't be looking at a desktop would I?

Here's the thing. If you want to compare to anything it would be an ultrabook. NOT A LAPTOP Ultrabooks are commonly known to be non-up-gradable in parts. I can use my Surface Pro in tablet mode when I'm at work and I use the stylus for notes or looking up pricing for customers. Do you really think I'd be lugging around a laptop for that? Nope.

The idea is that I can make this as light and portable like a tablet and STILL have Ultrabook functionality. There are a LOT of benefits that the surface provides that other ultrabooks don't quite offer. Are they beneficial to everyone? No cause we all have our own needs.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

What you're not understanding is that it's NOT a laptop. It can be if you wanted it to be sure. It can also be a tablet if you wanted it to be.

Based off of what you're saying I could say, Well I could get a desktop computer with more RAM / dedicated graphics / easier to fix / cheaper to repair, but if I'm looking for portability than I wouldn't be looking at a desktop would I?

Here's the thing. If you want to compare to anything it would be an ultrabook. NOT A LAPTOP Ultrabooks are commonly known to be non-up-gradable in parts. I can use my Surface Pro in tablet mode when I'm at work and I use the stylus for notes or looking up pricing for customers. Do you really think I'd be lugging around a laptop for that? Nope.

The idea is that I can make this as light and portable like a tablet and STILL have Ultrabook functionality. There are a LOT of benefits that the surface provides that other ultrabooks don't quite offer. Are they beneficial to everyone? No cause we all have our own needs.

Ultrabooks are still within the definition of laptops and are usually still upgradeable in ram and harddrive. Laptops are already portable devices. All Windows 8 enabled software runs apps anyway and touch screens exist on many computers. Realistically the surface is selling portability over devices that are already portable. Yes its easier to carry a surface over a laptop but it's just not particularly hard to carry a laptop to begin with. I have a 15 inch HP laptop that weighs a few pounds but it cost me significantly less than a surface and it has an i5 processor and 8gbs of ram and 1tb drive. Yes its heavier and bigger but it's far from a workout. It's a laptop not a dumbbell.

 

[SeeVuPlay]

It's all a matter of marketing and presentation. Maybe if they just would've included the keyboard in the price as one bundled piece we wouldn't be having this conversation even if the price was higher lol. But as of right now A two thousand dollar laptop that can't be upgraded, doesn't have dedicated graphics card, only one USB port, and no keyboard but tries to make up for that by being thin and having a touch screen and a pen is not exactly a good price trade off for a lot of people. And this is based off of how it was presented.

So in the end, if only ms would have said:

price A = surface + keyboard

Instead of:

Surface = price S
Key board = price KB
Therefore, S+KB = Price A


Then everyone would rhave been okay paying the price A? If that is all it would have taken, then MS didnt do a very good job of the message. However, if the human race does not have the sense to see how these both arrive at the same place (price A)...tis a sad world.

 

[Christopher Lindsay]

So in the end, if only ms would have said:

price A = surface + keyboard

Instead of:

Surface = price S
Key board = price KB
Therefore, S+KB = Price A


Then everyone would rhave been okay paying the price A? If that is all it would have taken, then MS didnt do a very good job of the message. However, if the human race does not have the sense to see how these both arrive at the same place (price A)...tis a sad world.

Lmfao. It it's indeed a sad world.

 

[Nerdy Woman]

Its a table with a keyboard and thats all it is. Im not going to come her and say its the greatest thing ever when its not packaged correctly. Other than for people who like the newest toys from, for some reason the company that they love.

WOW. You really don't get it, falcon. Tablets don't run desktop apps. Go ahead and try installing Adobe Creative Cloud on your iPad. Fire up Camtasia on that Nexus. A Surface Pro 3 can be used like a tablet, so you can give the tablet too your favorite niece. It's a computer that can be configured with a docking station and mega monitor so you can donate your old desktop workstation to a school. It's a laptop that you can toss in your backpack day after day without making an appointment with the chiropractor.

The vapor magnesium case and kickstand means you don't have to buy those spendy cases and stands. A simple sleeve will do.

Not fanboyism, just logic.

 

[JamesPTao]

For all the people griping about ms being deceiving showing the type cover on tv and then charging for it. Do you go into a car dealership and expect the top end Malibu with all options and extra $2000 rim options they showed on tv and expect it for the price if the base model with nothing? But I saw it this way on tv and they said it starts at 19,000. Yeah, good luck. That logic only works for forum arguments and dreams. The point of advertising is to grab someone's attention and show what a product can do. And the models shown are always the top end with all the goodies added.

 

[JamesPTao]

then its a tablet and no tablet is worth that much. They are positioning it against the MacBook Air but without a keyboard it doesn't compete.

Some people have a huge difficulty with products that don't fit into perfectly square molds. But its confusing... Come on. You are just showing you have no understanding of the difference between a tablet and tablet PC. So if a $100 dollar phone came with an attachable keyboard it would be a laptop by your definition. Give up the argument. It was lost from the beginning. Its a tablet PC. It runs full os. It simply allows you to have the portability of a tablet with laptop power and functionality I a full fledged os. Yes you get to choose which keyboard you want. That's called customization. And thin laptops/ tablet PCs always have a premium. Deal with it , accept it, the world will not end because a product is innovative and doesn't fit your preconceived notions of what it must be.