WC 1M Post Challenge - You Ready?!

[Rose640]

I'm tired. This line of work is taxing as all hell. I should go drink that Guinness in the fridge but I'm saving it some more.

Besides drinking doesn't undo some of the conversations I have heard today. The vulnerable places people find themselves in at times are pretty stark. Sigh.

Still drinking Guinness I see. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. As a matter fact, I haven't had an alcohol for more than a solid year now. Just didn't feel like it.

 

[Rose640]

Back to religion. Some may know that islam forbids pork. There are many reason why, I'm pretty sure at least one will pop in your head. But, if there's nothing for you to eat, well, just eat the damn thing, don't die, life comes above all. Carnivores and hunting animals are also not allowed (this is a bit more complex though, opinions vary, but, let's put it that way). Unless, your life or existance is at any kind of danger, then, all of this becomes nullified.

Nothing unreasonable I'd say.

 

[N_LaRUE]

Uhm, what? Where I come from, religion has a very little to none saying in medicine and other specialist fields. Whatever is proven by medicine to be good, healthy or necessary, religion itself or the figures representing it won't oppose.

Jahovah Witnesses are a strange lot. Their religion forbids a lot of things. One is blood transfusion. This is based on some obscure passage in the Bible.

It's definitely one of the more structured l stricter forms of Christianity.

Hence why these new procedures were created.

Saying that a lot of kids and people die in this religion due to this lack of medical adherence.

Because, religion trumps all....

 

[N_LaRUE]

Back to religion. Some may know that islam forbids pork. There are many reason why, I'm pretty sure at least one will pop in your head. But, if there's nothing for you to eat, well, just eat the damn thing, don't die, life comes above all. Carnivores and hunting animals are also not allowed (this is a bit more complex though, opinions vary, but, let's put it that way). Unless, your life or existance is at any kind of danger, then, all of this becomes nullified.

Nothing unreasonable I'd say.

Going by what we understand from a historical perspective and in general pigs are hard to keep, they are intelligent, they are close to us genetically. They contract diseases easily, especially in the past.

Apparently they sound like tortured humans when they are slaughtered.

I don't eat much meat anymore anyway. Pork is one of those that I avoid the most.

 

[N_LaRUE]

I respect that, I really do.

Don't know how much free time or interest you have, but there are many things that are and can be considered as a proof in islam. You can check them out. Also, some things are very direct, straight forward, other are not so much and are subject to interpretations, which is somewhat reasonable considering the Book was written as collection of many 'poems'.

Again, same as everything, finding a reliable source and not a fanatic gibberish means everything.

Free time I don't have much of.

I can appreciate you're wanting to show evidence but I'm quite certain it won't sway me.

I think I may know some of what you're talking about already.

It's not very persuasive to me.

Part of the issue with religion is that it's easy to make things appear 'correct' in light of today's advances.

 

[N_LaRUE]

Ok this is getting weird.

Third day in a row of being contacted by recruiters.

This one is closer to my speciality...

No idea where it's located yet.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Jahovah Witnesses are a strange lot. Their religion forbids a lot of things. One is blood transfusion. This is based on some obscure passage in the Bible.

It's definitely one of the more structured l stricter forms of Christianity.

Hence why these new procedures were created.

Saying that a lot of kids and people die in this religion due to this lack of medical adherence.

Because, religion trumps all....

They've actually come a long way in modifying some of their practices. I sat through a training that discussed this recently. Very fascinating stuff indeed. While my personal views on some of their practices are more in the "I wouldn't do it that way" vein, at least the scientist took on the challenges to innovate and good medical advances came from it. Sometimes religion and science can play nice after all.

"Belief kills and belief cures".

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Ok this is getting weird.

Third day in a row of being contacted by recruiters.

This one is closer to my speciality...

No idea where it's located yet.

Keep going and you might get an offer you actually like...

 

[N_LaRUE]

Keep going and you might get an offer you actually like...

Yeah that's my worry...

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Uhm, what? Where I come from, religion has a very little to none saying in medicine and other specialist fields. Whatever is proven by medicine to be good, healthy or necessary, religion itself or the figures representing it won't oppose.

This is one of the few times I'll side with religion here. Science often needs a challenge to spur innovation. One of the best challenges is a patient wanting medical help and feeling comfortable to share whatever things that will get in the way of accessing that help, including religious beliefs. It makes a healthier relationship between patient and provider when both sides can be frank to solve the problem.

Some of advances made in accommodation of religious belies here in treatments have been generally helpful to all. Of course religion and medicine continue to butt heads here all the time. It's just that when they're on the same page lots of good things can help.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Yeah that's my worry...

That's a problem I'd happily take on now, even though that may not be helpful for you in your circumstances. Good luck with that.

 

[N_LaRUE]

They've actually come a long way in modifying some of their practices. I sat through a training that discussed this recently. Very fascinating stuff indeed. While my personal views on some of their practices are more in the "I wouldn't do it that way" vein, at least the scientist took on the challenges to innovate and good medical advances came from it. Sometimes religion and science can play nice after all.

"Belief kills and belief cures".

Science is science. It does what it needs to do regardless of religion. The fact that a scientist is religious is irrelevant.

I'm not against the medical advances. Just the reason for them.

Leave it religion to modify itself though...

 

[Rose640]

Jahovah Witnesses are a strange lot. Their religion forbids a lot of things. One is blood transfusion. This is based on some obscure passage in the Bible.

It's definitely one of the more structured l stricter forms of Christianity.

Hence why these new procedures were created.

Saying that a lot of kids and people die in this religion due to this lack of medical adherence.

Because, religion trumps all....

Blood transfusion is by far one of the stupidest things I've heard, and I hear on a regular basis, mostly among the older generations (usually less educated as well). Even if it were not allowed, there's no f-ing way I'd die because of it.

 

[Rose640]

Going by what we understand from a historical perspective and in general pigs are hard to keep, they are intelligent, they are close to us genetically. They contract diseases easily, especially in the past.

Apparently they sound like tortured humans when they are slaughtered.

I don't eat much meat anymore anyway. Pork is one of those that I avoid the most.

Those are pretty much all the reasons it's not allowed to be eaten in normal circumstances. There are even rules about how to treat "inteligent" animals and such.

 

[Rose640]

Free time I don't have much of.

I can appreciate you're wanting to show evidence but I'm quite certain it won't sway me.

I think I may know some of what you're talking about already.

It's not very persuasive to me.

Part of the issue with religion is that it's easy to make things appear 'correct' in light of today's advances.

I can agree on the last part. After all, it is called faith, as someone else already said.

 

[Rose640]

Ok this is getting weird.

Third day in a row of being contacted by recruiters.

This one is closer to my speciality...

No idea where it's located yet.

Algorithms seem to like you.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

Science is science. It does what it needs to do regardless of religion. The fact that a scientist is religious is irrelevant.

I'm not against the medical advances. Just the reason for them.

Leave it religion to modify itself though...

Science was, and will always be, inspired by a set of beliefs. Just like religion. The devil in the details has been most times they're on opposite sides of the spectrum in most situations.

My personal beliefs is that there's a time and place for both, and there are instances when they butts heads it does more harm than good; when they're on the same page amazing things happen.

There's a TON of things in this life I understand but will never fully agree with. Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge its existence or the times when it can be useful. Guess I'm more about using whatever tools are appropriate to get the job done, separate from how I feel about them. Personally and professionally, that makes my own balancing act more tedious to do - it's helpful sometimes and sometimes it's not as useful.

Then again, you've got the best understanding of my line of work anyways than most here.

It would appear we may continue to agree to disagree on these finer points. At least it makes for entertaining reading to the lurkers.

 

[Rose640]

This is one of the few times I'll side with religion here. Science often needs a challenge to spur innovation. One of the best challenges is a patient wanting medical help and feeling comfortable to share whatever things that will get in the way of accessing that help, including religious beliefs. It makes a healthier relationship between patient and provider when both sides can be frank to solve the problem.

Some of advances made in accommodation of religious belies here in treatments have been generally helpful to all. Of course religion and medicine continue to butt heads here all the time. It's just that when they're on the same page lots of good things can help.

Chlenges, definitely, but not obstruction, that's where I was leaning the most towards to.
I have nothing to do with the medical field by any means (other than general knowledge) and there are just a few weird and questionable, approved, practices that I can think of. One of them definitely the way we treat oncological patients.

 

[libra89]

Science was, and will always be, inspired by a set of beliefs. Just like religion. The devil in the details has been most times they're on opposite sides of the spectrum in most situations.

My personal beliefs is that there's a time and place for both, and there are instances when they butts heads it does more harm than good; when they're on the same page amazing things happen.

There's a TON of things in this life I understand but will never fully agree with. Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge its existence or the times when it can be useful. Guess I'm more about using whatever tools are appropriate to get the job done, separate from how I feel about them. Personally and professionally, that makes my own balancing act more tedious to do - it's helpful sometimes and sometimes it's not as useful.

Then again, you've got the best understanding of my line of work anyways than most here.

It would appear we may continue to agree to disagree on these finer points. At least it makes for entertaining reading to the lurkers.

It does. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[N_LaRUE]

Science was, and will always be, inspired by a set of beliefs. Just like religion. The devil in the details has been most times they're on opposite sides of the spectrum in most situations.

I'm going to have disagree with this statement.

Science is born out of curiosity. Not belief. It's about questioning and looking for answers.

It's about finding consensus on something based on evidence and the willingness to change your mind if better evidence becomes available.

Science is not dogma. I know that in the medical field things are still in early days with evidence based medicine and dogmatic ideas prevail.

However, religion at it's core is belief. It's texts are dogma. Changes to religion is typically forced through change in mindset by society.

Religion evolves to keep itself alive.

Science evolves because that's what it does.