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  1. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Teach us your ways of blocking data at the router level. I wanna learn too
    To do this completely you need a dedicated Linux box to act as router and the will to go pretty white list with your system. A pain, but not very difficult. Personally, I don't see the need to go that far, but a Linux box for a router is certainly worth doing as it gives you proper control and you'll wonder how you ever made do before. Those little boxes that come from your ISP are really Linux devices, but converting an old PC to do the job opens up a whole other world of router capability.
    Laura Knotek and a5cent like this.
    08-26-2015 07:22 PM
  2. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    But it's okay if Apple gets your user data, regardless of settings, right?

    For serious, Vista killed a very beast hard drive on an old desktop that was incredibly healthy for years. It never had the problems it did before my folks installed Vista. It conked two years later. :/
    08-26-2015 08:07 PM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    Its why I hate these HATE posts. They all have the same DNA. They begin with a simply question or comment about some unknown source with some tale of woe. Then, they feed on themselves and people who respect the platform is expected to defend every imbecilic and moronic post made from around the net as what we are seeing already.
    I say if you are convinced this isn't the OS for you, please don't install it. Frightened people should get off the grid. No smart phones, credit cards, wifi, operating systems, nothing. You infect everyone you come into contact with with that bright yellow stripe.

    3 pages already it will be 10 by Thursday.
    Mindi B, M L, Laura Knotek and 4 others like this.
    08-26-2015 09:02 PM
  4. M L's Avatar
    I haven't heard of anyone who actually uses it hating Windows 10. Only the usual articles from mac or Linux users who just want to bash, Facebook or Google users who complain about perceived security issues (lol) or those stuck in 1999 afraid of the w2k bug, -it's ok nothing happened, it's safe to upgrade and join us now.
    Maxy12 likes this.
    08-26-2015 10:55 PM
  5. Aziz Abdurachman's Avatar
    There is the privacy issue things I heard that some people (outside my country) is really hate, I personally think it's just dumb to call Windows 10 is really doing that.

    First, collecting data is necessary for Cortana (and Edge) for more assist you personally.
    Second about email and private data that stored in server, yeah, I think every email & cloud service provider do this too, where do you think your email stored? Where do you think your synced password stored? Why they hate this if MS did this and you just trust another cloud sync service or password manager service? Is it because MS is too honest in their Privacy Policy? You think other provider can't be worst than this?
    And about peer-to-peer software update, I think it can be a good thing and bad too. Good if you have more than one computers in network so you don't waste to much bandwidth for downloading update each computer, and if it set to peer-to-peer over internet the download speed will be higher. And the bad side is if it set to peer-to-peer over internet it could eat your bandwidth.

    That's three topic that has been heard in here. The only thing we really hate is we can't even turn off automatic update in Home edition, internet is still an expensive thing in here. And people in here seems not really care with privacy issue things. Even if they really spying us, what for? What am I afraid to? I didn't do bad things with my computer.
    npoe likes this.
    08-27-2015 01:30 AM
  6. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I haven't heard of anyone who actually uses it hating Windows 10. Only the usual articles from mac or Linux users who just want to bash, Facebook or Google users who complain about perceived security issues (lol) or those stuck in 1999 afraid of the w2k bug, -it's ok nothing happened, it's safe to upgrade and join us now.
    Actually, many who use it have expressed a love/hate relationship with W10 in these very forums. I think it is great, behind the scenes. The problems come when one tries to use a touch device, for example (there are other areas if course). Things are often not as black and white as you are considering them. Security, however, I do not see as being a problem due to W10 specifically (though I do think everyone should be fully aware and in control of all data going in and out of their systems).

    I love Windows 10. I also hate it equally. I am far from alone in this.
    08-27-2015 04:25 AM
  7. iamakii's Avatar
    No. Windows 8 is.
    08-27-2015 05:15 AM
  8. AndyCalling's Avatar
    The only real issue with W8 was the lack of a simplified start menu for legacy pre-touch devices, which could be easily worked around with third party menus. W10 has far deeper problems that cannot yet (possibly ever) be worked around. That being the case, I fail to understand your 'reasoning' iamakii.
    08-27-2015 06:34 AM
  9. Kopacha's Avatar
    Well maybe Germans should educate themselves better beffore making decission based on a half-assed concerns and deformed articles in the mainstream press. Also probably it's a goog idea to be more open-minded. The so called "ooohh Microsoft is stealing our info" is a total horsecrap statement. One - most of the "settings" that suddenly everybody is so afaird have being already around (some of them as far as Win Phone 7) Windows 8.1 Desktop and Phone 8.1. And number two - all those so fearing of MS's privacy policy rules and EULAs probably should consider reading what Facebook API , Twitter API , Google services, etc are doing... for like years now. So based on that - if you have a "social" account basically now anywhere, you did basically already "gave your privacy" away. At least Microsoft throw a brand new OS in the deal :)
    So .. privacy ..Regular Joe with a personal digital footprint in the net (or regular Hans in your case i guess) is already causa perduta. I'm runing a Surface 3 Pro, a 4th in a row Windows Phone, a desktop machine and a employer bought Lenovo thinkpad all on Win 10, and i'm more then fine.

    As somebody else mentioned before me - if you're so concerned for your privacy and digital life, you should probably steer clear from Android i GS ..like forever :)
    Oh and .. getting your bearings and trusting the tabloid in the IT industry "The Register" is like enjoying and trusting completely FOX News (or your local equivalent, i'm sure you have such in DE)
    08-27-2015 08:09 AM
  10. Blacklac's Avatar
    The sooner people realize NOTHING you do on an internet connected device is private, the better. Come on...

    I personally think 10 is beautiful. I haven't used it much at all, though.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Jazmac likes this.
    08-27-2015 08:37 AM
  11. anon(9226130)'s Avatar
    Yes I hate windows 10. 8.1 is the BEST.
    08-27-2015 09:13 AM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    OK guys, pretend that you love (or hate) all tech companies equally, and see if this makes sense:

    All the tech companies have been collecting data. What happened here is that with Windows 10, Microsoft is more open about it. They were doing it before; it just wasn't as obvious. Google always was more open about it, which is why they got the bad press.

    Now, Microsoft is basically announcing, "Alright folks, we're now openly telling you that we're doing what Google and Apple (and even we ourselves) have been doing since like forever."
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    08-27-2015 09:48 AM
  13. izik770's Avatar
    HELL YEAH.
    I hate this OS more then any OS ever.
    Microsoft continues to screwup often.
    I'll just stay with second most hated OS=8.
    08-27-2015 10:12 AM
  14. Przemyslaw Pacocha's Avatar
    WIn 10 is a better mode of Win 8.1 but I guess tablet-users will find more attractive using its touchscreen. But Microsoft went for the oldies adding kind of old start button, and that's cool
    08-27-2015 10:36 AM
  15. a5cent's Avatar
    OK guys, pretend that you love (or hate) all tech companies equally, and see if this makes sense:

    All the tech companies have been collecting data. What happened here is that with Windows 10, Microsoft is more open about it. They were doing it before; it just wasn't as obvious. Google always was more open about it, which is why they got the bad press.

    Now, Microsoft is basically announcing, "Alright folks, we're now openly telling you that we're doing what Google and Apple (and even we ourselves) have been doing since like forever."
    Nope. Makes no sense. Like I said, the fact that data is collected is irrelevant. It's impossible to create any online service without collecting at least some of the user's data. Without that data, there is nothing worthwhile a service could do.

    What matters is how that data is used, i.e. whom that data belongs to after it is collected and what rights to your data these companies claim for themselves in return for offering a free service.

    In this area the differences between Microsoft, Apple and Google were often like night and day. It's not like that anymore, or at least it's become increasingly difficult for me to ascertain what those differences are. It seems each company can go on and on over how that data is used, but none of them are willing to make any commitments in terms of what they will not use that data for.

    What I do know is that MS can't bring this approach to their paying enterprise customers, at least not without being ridiculed and laughed out of the room. I'm just not yet sure how that plays out in practice.

    Anyway, there are still some very obvious differences between these companies, like this statement from MS:

    However, we do not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files to target ads to you.
    Google goes through most of that data in an attempt to monetize whatever it can. To me that's just way too creepy. In a nutshell, I agree that the differences are far less stark than they used to be, but pretending they are all one and the same isn't correct either.
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    08-27-2015 10:58 AM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    Nope. Makes no sense. Like I said, the fact that data is collected is irrelevant. It's impossible to create any online service without collecting at least some of the user's data. Without that data, there is nothing worthwhile a service could do.

    What matters is how that data is used, i.e. whom that data belongs to after it is collected and what rights to your data these companies claim for themselves in return for offering a free service.
    I had referenced this subject in my post, but removed it before I posted it.

    I agree that the important thing is how the data is used. And I do not believe for one second that Microsoft did not use data for targeted advertising. Google is more in the limelight because they do most of it, but Microsoft has done it in the past and is now pursuing it more aggressively. Display Ad Targeting Solutions - Microsoft Advertising

    One of the arguments used against Google on Microsoft fan forums is something like "If a product is free, YOU are the product!" Well, meet Windows 10! If you think that Microsoft is giving it away out of the goodness of their hearts, then I have no clue what to say to you!

    Targeted advertising is not creepy; what's creepy is data collection without the victim being aware of it. In that respect, Microsoft was, until Windows 10, a much bigger offender. Google was always open about it, which is probably why they got the reputation. It's not that the others didn't do it; it's more that we didn't know they did it.

    Microsoft and Google and whoever else does targeted advertising do not sell your data to advertisers. They direct ads to you because you fit a specific demographic. Selling your data would kill their business, as their customers would then have no need for them, since they would then have your information.

    And either way, we all sell ourselves in some way. If you go to work and are paid by your employer, the company takes control of your time, and you are paid for your time. You are under obligation to do what they tell you to do.

    We would all be flabbergasted if we had any clue what big retailers know about us. In some ways they put the big tech companies to shame in that respect. Target (a large US based department store similar to Walmart) for example knows what route you're likely to take through their store, and they position products accordingly. They also tailor the flyers mailed to your house to fit your interests! Creepy?
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-27-2015 11:15 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Creepy?
    Not at all. I call it "business as usual".
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    08-27-2015 11:38 AM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    Not at all. I call it "business as usual".
    And that's my point! It's all "business as usual". Welcome to the age of the Internet.

    And for the record, I don't think data collection or targeted advertising is creepy either. I am fully aware that by using a company's product that is online, they are collecting my data. And I choose to use it and to go online anyway.
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    08-27-2015 11:53 AM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I had referenced this subject in my post, but removed it before I posted it.

    I agree that the important thing is how the data is used. And I do not believe for one second that Microsoft did not use data for targeted advertising. Google is more in the limelight because they do most of it, but Microsoft has done it in the past and is now pursuing it more aggressively. Display Ad Targeting Solutions - Microsoft Advertising

    One of the arguments used against Google on Microsoft fan forums is something like "If a product is free, YOU are the product!" Well, meet Windows 10! If you think that Microsoft is giving it away out of the goodness of their hearts, then I have no clue what to say to you!

    Targeted advertising is not creepy; what's creepy is data collection without the victim being aware of it. In that respect, Microsoft was, until Windows 10, a much bigger offender. Google was always open about it, which is probably why they got the reputation. It's not that the others didn't do it; it's more that we didn't know they did it.

    Microsoft and Google and whoever else does targeted advertising do not sell your data to advertisers. They direct ads to you because you fit a specific demographic. Selling your data would kill their business, as their customers would then have no need for them, since they would then have your information.

    And either way, we all sell ourselves in some way. If you go to work and are paid by your employer, the company takes control of your time, and you are paid for your time. You are under obligation to do what they tell you to do.

    We would all be flabbergasted if we had any clue what big retailers know about us. In some ways they put the big tech companies to shame in that respect. Target (a large US based department store similar to Walmart) for example knows what route you're likely to take through their store, and they position products accordingly. They also tailor the flyers mailed to your house to fit your interests! Creepy?
    That's true and even impacts people who don't use smartphone location services or store apps.

    I shop at Giant Eagle. For every $50 I spend in the store using my rewards card, I get $0.10 off on gas at their GetGo gas station. So they know everything I buy. Do I care? No. I just want my discount.

    Same with Starbucks. Using the Starbucks card provides special offers from Starbucks. The special offers are usually for drinks I've ordered previously.

    Sent from my rooted Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    08-27-2015 12:00 PM
  20. mohit9206's Avatar
    1. Windows 10 is spyware.
    2. Windows 7 works great. Why upgrade when its not broken?
    3. Windows 10 forced automatic updates are a big no no. I should be able to update anytime i want at my convenience not at Microsoft's convenience.
    4. Am happy with Windows 7.
    5. Lots of people facing issues with the upgrade process. Not sure if its worth the hassle.
    6. Still lots of bugs and issues. Needs more time to mature.
    7. I still have one year to decide whether to upgrade to Windows 10 or not so what's the hurry in upgrading.
    8. Am happy with Windows 7.
    08-27-2015 12:59 PM
  21. johnson_patrickw's Avatar
    The level of bias and naivet regarding the Windows 10 privacy concerns are world class. I'd love to sell real estate on the Moon to these folks.
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    08-27-2015 01:07 PM
  22. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    I think over the years the general consensus has become to wait a while before upgrading. It used to be "wait for the first service pack" but now that there technically aren't anymore service packs people are just going to give it some time. As others have mentioned the EOL of Windows 7 will play a part as well.

    My opinion was always that they should've timed the EOL of Windows XP to overlap with the release of w10. I can say with almost certainty that had Windows 10 been out and around for a while when they stopped supporting XP that we would've upgraded all machines to 10. We ended up upgrading everyone to w7. A lot of places didn't abandon XP until they were absolutely forced to and I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true with w7.

    Although he did let the devs upgrade to 10 :)

    As for privacy/security concerns, I think Google had a lot to do with it, both in their own suspect practices and in their efforts to expose vulnerabilities in MS' products.
    08-27-2015 01:34 PM
  23. EBUK's Avatar
    I find that kind of ironic, considering that Germany is a very strong market for Android. I'm not a conspirator against Google (I use Android myself), but Google has that same reputation.
    Microsoft was found to be abusing its position by the US and the EU.
    Google is under investigation, but has not been found guilty of anything so far.

    The 'consumer' versions of Windows 10 do not allow you to turn off 'Diagnostic and usage data' without a registry hack; MS will always collect information about what you're doing. Enterprise versions do permit it to be turned off.
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    08-27-2015 02:54 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Microsoft was found to be abusing its position by the US and the EU.
    Google is under investigation, but has not been found guilty of anything so far.
    I think part of the reason is that Microsoft, at the time, was a monopoly. In fact, Microsoft at one point was forced to either bail out Apple or break up. It seems kind of strange that a company would be forced to keep their competition from going under, but that's basically what happened. Google has much more competition than Microsoft had at the time.

    Also, there could be a double standard at play here.
    08-27-2015 03:24 PM
  25. illegaloperation's Avatar
    1. Windows 10 is spyware.
    2. Windows 7 works great. Why upgrade when its not broken?
    3. Windows 10 forced automatic updates are a big no no. I should be able to update anytime i want at my convenience not at Microsoft's convenience.
    4. Am happy with Windows 7.
    5. Lots of people facing issues with the upgrade process. Not sure if its worth the hassle.
    6. Still lots of bugs and issues. Needs more time to mature.
    7. I still have one year to decide whether to upgrade to Windows 10 or not so what's the hurry in upgrading.
    8. Am happy with Windows 7.
    Good for you.

    Google is under investigation, but has yet to be charged.
    I fixed it for you.
    08-27-2015 03:25 PM
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