Person of interest thread

[Laura Knotek]

DJCBS lately likes to start flame wars and then accuse mods of censorship in a passive/agressive manner. I have a feeling he'll start more trouble.

 

[Guytronic]

I meant to add this user:
http://forums.windowscentral.com/members/felixl87.htm

He has started a couple of inflammatory threads of late.
Seems to start something then never comes back to comment.

Most of his stuff is gone from view because of how he had been ranting.

 

[Guytronic]

Observation...
I was cruising AC a little and noticed that a few WC problem users are over there crying and chest thumping.

Found this hilarious being slightly trusting I really thought they would be happy when they got what they wanted.
I guess a loudmouth always needs an audience.

 

[a5cent]

^ if people want to trash talk WP, I'm all for it happening over at AC rather than here. The problem for most is that over at AC, anti-WP sentiment doesn't garner 1/10th the attention, so it's not as fun.
If it would cause the same ruckus and thread derailings, AC mods would be forced to deal with them in the same way.
In an ideal world, every statement would receive equal treatment at all times by all people, but that's not how humans work. Reactions depend on who's talking and who's listening, and that must be taken into account to keep the peace.

 

[a5cent]

Person of disinterest: thesachd

I've been watching this guy for a while now, and I've concluded that he's a troll (albeit a smart and very careful troll). He shows the typical signs: no personal interest in WP whatsoever, does not use WP as a personal device (may have in the past), and he spends all his time either dissing WP and/or praising Android's superiority. He recently created a thread in which he asks a purely rhetorical question, the primary purpose being to eventually proclaim how all WP OEMs must necessarily fail (and indirectly WP along with them):

http://forums.windowscentral.com/ge.../326388-does-anyone-thrive-windows-phone.html

As I see it, WC is nothing to him other than a platform, from which he can tear down WP in front of its biggest supporters, but at the same time, he's not a stupid guy, so I'm hoping somebody sees something I've missed. On the other hand, if we all feel the same, I'd ask how we should proceed...

 

[Guytronic]

Person of disinterest: thesachd

I've been watching this guy for a while now, and I've concluded that he's a troll (albeit a smart and very careful troll).

Good call!
I was sort of dismissing this members activities.
You're right a5 this guy does have a certain agenda and is very clever keeping his guard up.
He'll make a serious booboo eventually.

 

[a5cent]

He'll make a serious booboo eventually.

I wish I shared that optimism. I don't think he will. That's why I'm bringing this up.

It eventually became clear that Salmanahad couldn't control his fanboyism and would eventually get himself banned, just like Karthik. This guy isn't like that. He's here to demoralize, not to play ******, and he'll continue linking to every negative article he finds and pretending he has a legitimate question to go along with it. This isn't a guy who warrants banning, but he's not here to contribute to the community either. At least that's what I think. I don't think waiting it out will help much here, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

 

[a5cent]

I got a PM from Rodan concerning the closing of his thread on Daniel Rubino. Please take note of our exchange so far:

Hi,
Why did you close the thread titled "Is Daniel Rubino an embarrassment to Windows Central?".
The aggressive behavior of the editor in chief is a valid point to be discussed in the Feedback section.
PS: Moderators should post a reason when closing threads.

Hi Rodan

We have a policy that forbids the discussion of moderatoratorial issues in the public forums. If you have a problem with a moderator, or with a moderator's actions, you're expected to take it up with them directly, or take it to the moderator team leader or community manager. I think it's fair to assume the same applies to Daniel. I'll admit that isn't specifically stated in our community rules and guidelines, which is why I initially hesitated, but I do think that is in keeping with the spirit of the rules. As I wasn't the only person who felt this shouldn't be a public debate, I decided to go ahead and close it.

If you have an issue with Daniel, I'd encourage you to take it up with him directly. Let's leave character assassination and the dragging of people's names through the mud to the politicians.

Okay?

If requested I'll gladly add this explanation to my last post. I'm not sure if that's really in your best interest however.

Kind regards

a5cent

Thanks for answering.

I think there is a mistake, the thread is not about moderation at all. I didn't know that Daniel Rubino was moderating the forum and if he does I don't have any complains about his work as forum moderator. So, definitely the unstated rule you mention doesn't apply to this thread.

The intent of the thread is exactly what you said, to stop "character assassination and the dragging of people's names through the mud". If you read the thread I'm not the only one stating that the behavior of the editor in chief is unacceptable, It was backed by other members, It's a known issue in our community, so, It's time to address it.
The thread was posted is the FEEDBACK section of the community, I think this is really important feedback.

Of course talking with Daniel Rubino is not going to solve the problem, in other occasion he has ben addressed and the response had been more aggressiveness.

So, please. I ask you to unblock the thread. Don't feel the need to protect someone from legitimated and respectful complain. If you feel the thread title is inadequate, please feel free to change it.

Hey Rodan

I didn't say your thread was about moderators, or at least that's not what I intended to say. My point was that the same rules that apply to the discussion of moderators, likely also applies to Daniel. They are not to be held in public. I don't feel the need to protect anybody from anything (despite agreeing with Daniel that WMPU's reporting is horrid). I do feel the need to enforce our community rules however, or at least my interpretation of those rules, as that is the job I'm here to do.

I would have been more forgiving had your thread actually been just a respectful complaint, but your thread title makes it pretty damn clear that respectfulness is not one of your top priorities. I'd appreciate you not insulting my intelligence and saving that type of explanation for others. Surely it's obvious to us both, that dragging someone's name through the mud, is not the best way to stop people's names from being dragged through the mud.

Look, if you're serious, I'd suggest you take it up with James Falconer (send him a PM). Until he decides otherwise, I won't allow any such discussion to continue.

I hope you understand and respect my position.

Kind regards

a5cent

Moderators are protected from public discussions about their decisions because they're voluntaries accepting a sometimes unpleasant task. If a moderator misbehave she can be easily removed by a community manager.
I don't see how that applies to Daniel Rubino, a paid employee using the exposure of their position to insult other sites and members of this community. He obviously has to be accountable for his actions, and public feedback should be allowed and encouraged.
There is no logical connection in the way you're applying the unstated rule to this case.

I don't think the thread's title is disrespectful. I do think Daniel Rubino and his constant aggressive behavior is a embarrassment for our community. But I'd agree to change it to other one more conciliatory.
The objective of the thread is not drag someone in the mud, It's make the issue visible and produce a change in the way this person interact with the various stockholders. That's why the thread is in the Feedback section.

Even if the thread is blocked other members are still pressing the like button, Daniel Rubino's behavior is known issue in the community. You are making a mistake closing the discussion.

By the way, you took the opportunity to post your opinion before closing the thread to prevent other members from posting their opinions, that should not happen again. If the issue shouldn't be discussed, why are you discussing it?

Thanks.

By the way, you took the opportunity to post your opinion before closing the thread to prevent other members from posting their opinions, that should not happen again. If the issue shouldn't be discussed, why are you discussing it?

I wouldn't have closed the thread if others hadn't first stated that it should be. From the outset I was unsure of whether I should let your thread continue, and as I had already explained, I hesitated. That hesitation is the only mistake I made. That you're jumping to false conclusions about my behaviour, and assuming the worst, doesn't make me any more sympathetic to your cause. It's disappointing.

I'm not ruling out that your thread could possibly be reopened. I am ruling out that I'm the right person to talk to about it.

Good day.

 

[Guytronic]

I got a PM from Rodan concerning the closing of his thread on Daniel Rubino. Please take note of our exchange so far:

Thanks for dumping that thread a5.

This kind of thing amazes me.
I really thought that thread was a low blow.
Certain members scour the internet looking for anything that can be passed off here to start a controversy.

All I see from Daniel Rubino and the WC staff is a lot of hard work giving people the best info possible.
So what if Daniel is tough on members in the blogs.

Staff members see a lot of ignorant insults and trashing in the comments below their articles.
The way some people act on the front page comments would eventually get to anybody.

Rodan1 is a repeat troublemaker wish this member would find a new home!

 

[Muessig]

Daniel replied in the thread and debunked the whole thing. Rodan is definitely on my radar.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Andreas, thanks for handling that gossip and drama about Daniel so well yesterday.

I was busy and didn't see any of that until it was over. You did an excellent job.

I'll also watch Rodan, since he's a known agitator.

Daniel answered the issue exactly as you suggested in your PM to Rodan: Address person involved directly via PM, not in the public forums.
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 via Tapatalk

 

[Guytronic]

Person of disinterest: thesachd

I see this user's IP is showing a location in Pakistan.
Somewhat close to where Salmanahmad was located.

Makes me wonder...

 

[Guytronic]

After looking at these two users:
http://forums.windowscentral.com/members/thesachd.htm
http://forums.windowscentral.com/members/tanya-shah1.htm

I'm almost sure this is salmanahmad and Karthik Naik hitting the forums again to do battle from different locales.
Karhik's IP is really close to tanya shah1's IP located in Mumbai.

Salman used to post from somewhere in Afghanistan and occasionally from Pakistan.
The comments and posts are almost the same as before.
Andreas is right however thesachd is being very careful.

IMO they're still at it...they just can't let it go.

 

[a5cent]

Guys, I so want to post the following to this thread:

http://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...ps-successful-tablets-phones-post2900201.html

I just fear that what I feel and really want to say isn't appropriate. Can someone help me tone it down without it losing it's meaning? I can't seem to do it (partly because English isn't my first language, but also because I'm letting thesacd get on my nerves)...


@thesachd
@tanya shah1

Okay guys, it's time to end this spat:

1. No. C# is not the only language which can be used to develop apps for Windows Phone. Windows Phone apps can be written in Visual Basic, C# or native C/C++.
2. Games based on Unity are actually source code compatible across OSes, line for line, because Unity makes use of monoGame. Almost all Unity based games are written in C#, although there is also support for JavaScript and Boo. So yes, not only is it possible to write games for iOS and Android using C#, it's common practice (mind blown, right?). Finally, while it's true that Unity based games usually aren't 100% source code compatible across platforms, that is almost always a result of hardware differences. For example, a game that supports mouse and keyboard input on a PC must necessarily be modified to support touch input on a tablet. That however has nothing to do with source code compatibility. Nothing.

I consider many of the above posts just useless filler, based on nothing but ill informed guesswork. Unfortunately, some people will leave this page thinking they learned something. I'd appreciate it if both of you could take it down a notch from here on out. Really, preaching about Android on a WP fan forum is just creepy. Let us like what we like without constantly having someone tell us we shouldn't. At the same time, it shouldn't be hard to admit that WP has it's faults. We can love it regardless. Both extremes get tiring.

Thank you.

 

[Muessig]

They have been bickering amongst each other all across the boards recently. I've closed that thread and I've infracted both of them and made it clear to them both that bickering and the kind of behaviour they have been exhibiting will not be tolerated here.

If you want to send them both a private message as above I think what you've written is fine, but I'm not sure about posting the above in an open thread.

 

[a5cent]

^ Yeah, it seems too humiliating. I just don't know how to change it without it still saying what I want to say. I think this thesachd is just getting under my skin.

 

[Guytronic]

^ Yeah, it seems too humiliating. I just don't know how to change it without it still saying what I want to say. I think this thesachd is just getting under my skin.

Know how you feel my friend!
I have to hold my tongue (not touch the keyboard) with a number of very snide members here.

Meantime I'll be waiting in the tall grass watching those two
:excited:

 

[Laura Knotek]

Anyone has the green light to perma-ban both of them for multiple user names at any point, unless we want to wait longer. I think we have enough evidence by their writing style and attitudes, that they can be banned for multiple user names, without only relying on AE detector.

 

[Guytronic]

I think we have enough evidence by their writing style and attitudes, that they can be banned for multiple user names, without only relying on AE detector.

Neither of them are really helpful in any way as far as I can see.
Their main goal is arguing for and against any other platform.

I see absolutely no reason to allow this type of wrecking ball attitude here.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Neither of them are really helpful in any way as far as I can see.
Their main goal is arguing for and against any other platform.

I see absolutely no reason to allow this type of wrecking ball attitude here.

I just perma-banned both of them and also PP banned, so they cannot post blog comments (they were only registered on WC anyway).