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  1. MysticForce's Avatar
    We know the apps issue but we are talking about the OS
    But apps are OS specific. Apps are defining OS together with OS performance.
    09-24-2015 02:42 AM
  2. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    I have been using windows since WP 7.5, currently using a lumia 920 with WM10 as daily driver also owns ios device.

    So here are the features:
    • A fluidic well responsive OS (for those who says WP doesn't lag check out W10M , agree its in beta but sometimes by the way it lags it feels like an alpha release).
    • They are getting a complete OS on release , not threshold 1 like in W10, and every phone is atleast supported for the update.
    • And of course a well built app ecosystem (many WP8 apps are not available for W10M, there are no lumia camera lenses on W10M and the stock app is miles behind in terms of features) , You may complain about apps being told here but withouth apps a smartphone aint smart anymore its just a phone.
    • A well built ms apps that are infact miles ahead when compared to their WM counterparts.
    • And unless everyone is into MS office on the go ( sure most buisiness people carries a lap or surface pro for the same) continuum is just for bragging.
    09-24-2015 04:00 AM
  3. bradm77's Avatar
    At least Windows Phone doesn't even lag in the low end devices like the 520.. And.. Apps.. Project Astoria will help developers to easily convert apps. Heck, people are sideloading APKs on their devices easily (See XDA).
    Not even close. I sideloaded Casper on my 1520 and it was extremely buggy and crashed frequently.

    The thing is Apple products are heavily over-priced. If you look at their processors and stuffs, they make with a cheap hardware, but the OS is what makes you think its of a premium quality.
    I couldn't disagree more. The build QUALITY of Apple's devices is 2nd to none. I used to look at specs and ppi and just assumed my HTC One M8 had a far better display than an IPhone based on the numbers, but that theory falls right down when you actually see the retina display. The IPhone 6 I am using right now is the most beautiful screen of any smartphone I have ever owned and I've owned a lot of devices. As far as procs and ram, again, get away from the specs and actually TRY one, there is nothing cheap or substandard about the device OR the experience.

    As for Camera, most devices have Carl Ziess Lens, way better than iPhone's camera. Sound.. Now most of the devices are coming with Dolby Surround. Overall, Windows may lack in some useless features or settings such as mono audio but still Windows Phone has everything and I repeat EVERYTHING a user would want in a phone.
    The cameras are NICE, but they are ........... SSSLLLLLOOOOWWWWWWW compared to the IPhone 6, and I suspect will seem even more slow compared to the 6S/6S Plus. I have owned a ton of Windows Phones exclusively over the last 3 years, and if Windows Phone REALLY had "EVERYTHING" a user could want in a phone, then I wouldn't be using an IPhone 6 right now. I wouldn't have an IPhone 6S Plus pre-ordered.

    I LOVE Microsoft. I use all of their apps and services (OneDrive, Office, Sway, Office lens, MSN Sports, MSN News, OneNote, etc, etc). I think that it means SOMETHING that the best environment to use the best version of those apps is currently on IOS and NOT Windows Phone.
    09-24-2015 04:46 AM
  4. bradm77's Avatar
    How can you say better RAM management? Windows doesn't even lag once.. not even once in my 520 which has a 512 MB RAM. You are just making false facts, trying to cover up. Accept that. And For God's sake this is a Windows Forum, why the heck would we want Apple or Android fanboys here???
    Acknowledging the things that have made or are making IOS a preferred over choice over WP doesn't make somebody a fanboy. I am not, and have never been, a fan of Apple. I am a Microsoft fanboy through and through. But I have a job to do (I work in IT) and the device I carry has to support all the apps I need, and it needs to work quickly and consistently, especially for my MSFT apps. Because of that, I am carrying an IPhone 6 in my pocket.

    Wanting something that works and that can use LogMeIn, Spiceworks, etc doesn't make someone a Apple fanboy. Saying that people pointing out all of the ways that IOS is winning now doesn't constitute "false facts" either.
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    09-24-2015 04:53 AM
  5. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I think by now since the op hasn't commented on his thread for a while .....i think he realized that there is a little more you can do on IOS than on WP. One thing I have realized that I can do more of on WP than IOS or android is.........wait for apps and features.......that I definitely can do more of on WP!
    09-24-2015 06:38 AM
  6. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I have been using windows since WP 7.5, currently using a lumia 920 with WM10 as daily driver also owns ios device.

    So here are the features:
    • A fluidic well responsive OS (for those who says WP doesn't lag check out W10M , agree its in beta but sometimes by the way it lags it feels like an alpha release).
    • They are getting a complete OS on release , not threshold 1 like in W10, and every phone is atleast supported for the update.
    • And of course a well built app ecosystem (many WP8 apps are not available for W10M, there are no lumia camera lenses on W10M and the stock app is miles behind in terms of features) , You may complain about apps being told here but withouth apps a smartphone aint smart anymore its just a phone.
    • A well built ms apps that are infact miles ahead when compared to their WM counterparts.
    • And unless everyone is into MS office on the go ( sure most buisiness people carries a lap or surface pro for the same) continuum is just for bragging.
    -No it's not beta, it's still being developed so how can it be Beta?
    -Complete OS? 9 was an update to 8 of mostly refinements and fixes. Some new features. Not all phones get the update. Iphone 4 isn't. It's the equivalent of the nokia phones that aren't getting the update to windows 10. Give me a break if you think nokia 520 should be kept alive. Get rid of that hazard, I don't want it in the windows 10 eco system. Developers shouldn't have to worry about a phone with 512mb of ram and whether its horrible cpu/gpu will work on it. I want technological progress not limiting an OS because of budget phones that think that the price warrants them getting up to date tech. It's designed to work the way it was purchased and is used for prepaid only. Phone calls and basic functionality. Do you expect samsung to update their low end prepaid flip phones to android lollipop?
    Anyways, iphone 4s is getting the update but it's completely featureless and it slows down the phone tremendously. The update brings nothing new to the phone.

    And yes continuum is useless to the average person. The only places I have screens are where there are computers. So I already have a monitor being occupied by a better computer. My tv can also be connected to my computer. Continuum would only be good if there were monitors at coffee shops, airports, restaurants or anywhere else. Otherwise what's the point.

    EDIT: I think it would be cooler if the phones came with high res projectors rather than continuum. That way you can make a screen on any wall.
    Last edited by poopyfinger; 09-24-2015 at 08:52 AM.
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    09-24-2015 07:51 AM
  7. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    IOS has a build that will install on the phone, Windows 10 won't install on several phones, including mine. The builds have been attempting to install for OVER A WEEK now, with no
    success. The same builds try over and over, seems like there isn't an attempt to fix the problems.
    I have friends with Windows 10 mobile, and they are having the same problem with the builds not
    installing.
    09-24-2015 08:19 AM
  8. pankaj981's Avatar
    IOS has a build that will install on the phone, Windows 10 won't install on several phones, including mine. The builds have been attempting to install for OVER A WEEK now, with no
    success. The same builds try over and over, seems like there isn't an attempt to fix the problems.
    I have friends with Windows 10 mobile, and they are having the same problem with the builds not
    installing.
    Technical preview?
    Have you tried performing a hard reset and start again?
    09-24-2015 08:21 AM
  9. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    IOS has a build that will install on the phone, Windows 10 won't install on several phones, including mine. The builds have been attempting to install for OVER A WEEK now, with no
    success. The same builds try over and over, seems like there isn't an attempt to fix the problems.
    I have friends with Windows 10 mobile, and they are having the same problem with the builds not
    installing.
    what model do you have?


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    09-24-2015 09:46 AM
  10. Arunabha Goswami's Avatar
    what features IOS has Windows 10 Mobile OS doesn't
    Double-digit market share?
    09-24-2015 10:44 AM
  11. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Double-digit market share?
    good one :))


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    09-24-2015 01:26 PM
  12. Panos Athanasiou's Avatar
    ok the 3d touch is just a stupid seamless feature :3 they present it like its awesome with an awesome name its just the same touch lolzz
    09-24-2015 03:12 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    ok the 3d touch is just a stupid seamless feature :3 they present it like its awesome with an awesome name its just the same touch lolzz

    It's actually really awesome:
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    09-24-2015 03:22 PM
  14. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    -No it's not beta, it's still being developed so how can it be Beta?
    -Complete OS? 9 was an update to 8 of mostly refinements and fixes. Some new features. Not all phones get the update. Iphone 4 isn't. It's the equivalent of the nokia phones that aren't getting the update to windows 10. Give me a break if you think nokia 520 should be kept alive. Get rid of that hazard, I don't want it in the windows 10 eco system. Developers shouldn't have to worry about a phone with 512mb of ram and whether its horrible cpu/gpu will work on it. I want technological progress not limiting an OS because of budget phones that think that the price warrants them getting up to date tech. It's designed to work the way it was purchased and is used for prepaid only. Phone calls and basic functionality. Do you expect samsung to update their low end prepaid flip phones to android lollipop?
    Anyways, iphone 4s is getting the update but it's completely featureless and it slows down the phone tremendously. The update brings nothing new to the phone.

    And yes continuum is useless to the average person. The only places I have screens are where there are computers. So I already have a monitor being occupied by a better computer. My tv can also be connected to my computer. Continuum would only be good if there were monitors at coffee shops, airports, restaurants or anywhere else. Otherwise what's the point.

    EDIT: I think it would be cooler if the phones came with high res projectors rather than continuum. That way you can make a screen on any wall.

    Im not sure of the OS being developed at this stage the past few insider updates have been just performance improvements (they were all minor) and its about to be released this fall. Either the ones insiders have is a beta OS or that the actual OS released as threshold 1 is a beta.

    Windows phone is efficient in using its resources and lumia 520 is the most successful windows phone ever. I know how it feels when microsoft abandoned the 7.5 users with a mere cosmetic update. Many bashed upon microsoft then. If the OS is what it claims to be lumia 520 could very well run a WM10 . And I think if it could support, it should.
    09-24-2015 10:36 PM
  15. NXH's Avatar
    iOS is a real thing. You can download it right now. Windows Mobile 10 still under development. We still don't have a decent flagship phone and from what I've seen so far, we can't expect too much from the upcoming phones either. iPhone works smoothly with everything they offer and everyone supports it.... this is huge. Even Android couldn't beat Apple with their payment even though they had NFC and Google Wallet before. As much as I love the way my Lumia 920 looks and feels, there is not a day I don't run into some issue that reminds me how far WP Os and ecosystem (you cant just separate these two) is compare to others.
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    09-24-2015 11:15 PM
  16. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    It's actually really awesome:
    Looks just like the long-press/right-click that has existed for years and works on all Windows touchscreens not just the newest ones.
    09-24-2015 11:23 PM
  17. EspHack's Avatar
    what does it have over wp? 5 extra years of development and far greater resources & effort being put into it, what I can tell you is we are moving towards VR in the near future, wp with continuum and even hololens (universal)apps has the upper edge there, it could turn out pretty nicely for Microsoft given the right conditions
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    09-24-2015 11:45 PM
  18. colinkiama's Avatar
    Looks just like the long-press/right-click that has existed for years and works on all Windows touchscreens not just the newest ones.

    It's not the same thing though. A long press does one thing but a deep/light press has more option. Stop being blind guys.
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    09-25-2015 12:06 AM
  19. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Careful, don't be too much against the subject, I've got several warnings on my account because I was critic about windows 10 mobile here, with the moderator saying that I've used offensive words...well since when using the character * is offensive??
    Bashing users for saying the true facts and their opinion is not gonna praise MS and for sure not gonna make those users switch to WP.
    09-25-2015 12:59 AM
  20. Arunabha Goswami's Avatar
    what does it have over wp? 5 extra years of development...
    That's the thing, isn't it. Microsoft is so late to the party that no matter how much better WP gets than iOS, it doesn't matter. For WP to gain market share, iOS and Android has to do something tremendously wrong.
    09-25-2015 03:29 AM
  21. Blade800's Avatar
    Things that iPhone has that WP doesn't:

    3D Touch: iPhone 6s - 3D Touch - Apple

    Taptic Engine: Watch Effect: Scaling up Apple's Taptic Engine for iPhone and iPad

    Continuity and Handoff: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204681

    TouchID: iPhone 6s - Technology - Apple

    Focus Pixels, which sounds dumb, but is responsible for the blazing fast iPhone camera

    Real mobile payments with TouchID: Apple*Pay - Apple

    All of these put together make for a nice experience, and I'm leaving out a lot of neat little other things that iOS does. It's all very polished, and you can tell how important iOS is to Apple when you use it.
    so basically all luxury useless things, thanks for pointing that out
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    09-25-2015 04:58 AM
  22. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    so basically all luxury useless things, thanks for pointing that out
    Not all are useless...let's at least be honest about it
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    09-25-2015 05:02 AM
  23. WinCoffee's Avatar
    I agree with all that "Hate". I guess people are just afraid that MSFT isn't supporting WP/WindowsMobile... You know what they say. Fear leads to anger... anger leads to the dark side... :D
    09-25-2015 05:20 AM
  24. WinCoffee's Avatar
    That's the thing, isn't it. Microsoft is so late to the party that no matter how much better WP gets than iOS, it doesn't matter. For WP to gain market share, iOS and Android has to do something tremendously wrong.
    Or Microsoft needs to make something Very Very right! And I think they are doing everything RIGHT! ^^
    09-25-2015 05:22 AM
  25. Nuno Moz's Avatar
    I have a foot on both ecosystems. Here are a few points about iOS:

    1. Consistent and reliable update and upgrade track. IPhone 4S, a four year old device is still on the main update track. I bought a Windows Phone for 200 euros at start of the year and still don't know if it will get Windows 10. Furthermore if we take past experience, even if I had bought the Lumia 930, which I almost did, I wouldn't have a clue how well it would support. Maybe very well, maybe very badly. The second happened before.

    2. Carrier independent upgrades regardless if it locked or unlocked. That is, updates come directly from Apple at the same time to everyone regardless of the carrier.

    3. It does not support live tiles, yet Icons on the app launch screen give you consistent and reliable indication of what is going on with the app across all apps. For instance, in mail I see without opening the app how many unread stuff I have or if I have new email. Mail for Windows 10 has a similar feature with live tiles but is unreliable.

    4. Reliable notification system. Again, Windows 10 is unreliable. For instance I know I have received new email but have no notification of such fact. Sometimes suddenly I get loads of email notifications. This happen with other apps too.

    5. Apps rarely crash regardless of who made them. Never saw a first party app crashing but it might happen. On Windows 10, almost every day. Look I'm not talking about Windows 10 for Phones only, but even Windows 10 for tablets.

    6. You can reply on the Notification/Quickview.

    7. Visual Voice Mail. If you provider supports it, you have a easy to use interface to manage and access voice message. No need to call special voice mail number, navigate with number nothing. It works like an app.

    8. FaceTime and iMessage. Across all contacts on your contact list where a mobile phone number is defined, the system detects automatically if the phone number is being used on an iPhone or not, By doing so it enables video chat with FaceTime and messaging with iMessage without using your SMS/Call Plan, just the data plan or WIFI (no need for SMS no carrier provided Video Calls),. This is seamlessly and cleanly integrated in the call dial and other apps, such as contacts. No need to configure or download anything, The drawback is that it only works with within the Apple devices unlike Skype, that is cross platform. I don't get notifications from people that I don't know asking me to add to the contact list with sexy names if you know what I mean. I don't get messages proposing scams from Nigeria as I usually do with Skype.

    9. Continuity. Meaning even with no Internet connect or even WiFi, the phone integrates in sophisticated ways with Apple PC's. I can start and receive mobile phone calls from a PC paired with the device. Send and answer SMS messages from that PC. I can start writing an email on the phone or tablet, move to the computer and keep on writing. I can enable remotely Internet Sharing on my phone without picking it up. This works across all first party app (including office apps such as Pages, Numbers, ..., Safari). There is an API that developers can use to enable this kind of interoperability on their apps. Pair this with 8 and you have a very well designed and implemented system enabling you to do stuff with less hassle, hence do more, across multiple devices in a world where the number of devices we own is increasing ... unfortunately.

    10. Command gestures. The choice of gestures to command the system seam to be more intuitive the Windows 10, especially in the iPad. For instance if you pinch the screen with 4 finger we go directly to the home screen. If we slide with three finger, left or right we change apps. If we slide the fingers up, a task swisher appears with all apps that are in memory allowing to easy navigation. In the iPhone we need to use the home button, its ok, but a bit curnbersome as well as it is with Windows Phones.

    11. A extremely flexible ability to project content, images, audio and video to multiple devices (Airplay, Bluetooth). What I mean by flexible is, say we are watching a video or playing a song in Safari. With Airplay I can project just the video or the sound with a click of a button. This works across many, many apps, not just Safari. Certain apps take advantage of this to give user a kind of dual display features, that is while content is being project on the TV, on the iPad or Phone screen, controls and related content are displayed. This in an extremely easy to use fashion. Even if the app does not support directly this ability in advanced ways, by default all apps support Audio projection and display mirror (its system wide). The drawback is that you need to have an Apple TV or Airplay enabled device. Basic projection is offered through Bluetooth. For comparison purposed Windows 10 supports Bluetooth for Audio and Miracast for Display Mirror. I have an XBOX One, I cannot project stuff from the Edge to the screen, or any other apps , there is no Display Mirror to the XBOX One, Heck there is not Audio projection comparable. I can nevertheless project a limited set of content through DLNA provided that the App supports which most don't and the ones that do is for local content with one or two exceptions. I cannot project simple stuff such as Spotify or any other audio to the XBOX One. I bought separately the Miracast dongle from MS to attach to the TV to have display mirror. The initial Handshake takes about 4 to 5 seconds, on Apple TV is just a second. This might look minor, but less time gives a sense of continuity that cannot be described, furthermore we don't have to deal with changing HDMI stuff. Indeed you might say that iOS is for non tech people, I agree, still this non tech people are doing more with iOS in this context that the tech heads in Windows 10 are. I guess it takes a lot of work to archive this, I find this impressive!

    12. My family is bilingual as I'm Portuguese and my wife is Scottish. Both my children are bilingual. We also travel to the UK a lot. The grand parents live half of the year in Portugal and another half in the UK. Now here is the thing, in Windows Phone 8.1, don't know about Windows 10 for Phones, the country/language initially selected automatically locks the country/language of the store. That means for instance If I select Portugal/Portuguese I cannot have access to UK content even if I'm in the UK and vice versa, That is the setup of the primary account totally locks the store account to the same settings,.This is totally absurd. I understand that in the US probably people don't travel much abroad, that is the only reason why I can see this locks being used by Microsoft, but not so in Europe. Furthermore, in Europe you can easily find people that handle both their native language and English enough at least to command XBOX One or Cortana, sorry for the pun. This is a MS approach across all its devices. Such silly locks I don't have with any iOS devices.

    If I want to change the country I need to completely reset the phone as if I became someone else? In the global environment we live in?

    13. In the iOS the when we buy an app it can be installed up to 5 devices. One can think that this is the same has MS. Well not really. MS account works by locking the device and the store to one account only. Since iOS distinguishes between what is a user account of the device, the primary account, and the store account, I can setup my kids phone with his account and setup the store on his phone with my account. That means he can have his device setup for him, while me and/or my wife are paying the bill for apps. Furthermore if in his phone I change the store account to my wifes, the apps downloaded with my account are kept in his device. Apple keeps track of the constraint of 5 devices per store account regardless of the primary account setup for the device, regardless if the store account is changed to another one. That may look the same has the XBOX One, well it is not really since we cannot install XBOX One games up to 5 devices not just one like in the XBOX One regardless of the primary account setup for the device. I cannot even share XBOX Live subscription across multiple XBOX Ones. This in a world that mobile gaming revenue is set to surpass PC gaming revenues.

    You may think that this is bad business for software developers, as if they have potentially less revenue overall ... well does not look like it is. They have found out that is not. The proof is that the Apple App Store is something that everyone else looks forward to have.

    This is pure Genius!

    14. Family Share is the way Apple used to institutionalize 13 and more. Making it easier for families. I can setup a Group having me as the primary store account, assigned multiple iCloud accounts up to 6 to that group (say, my wife, kids, whatever you may consider to be your family). Once that is done, you can define how purchases are done by each iCloud account, considering that it will be tour store account that is being billed. For instance, you can setup your Childs account in a way that every time they click on buy a message is sent to you to authorize it. But the thing does not stop here. This works with Apple Music too. Also there is a family calendar where the group shares events and reminders ... It is a cohesive approach in time that MS abandones Rooms, but is much, much more.

    15. Homekit. iOS, provided that vendors support it and there are many doing it, one can almost anything in the house, from lights, blinds, unlock doors and so on. SIRI enabled.

    16. Camera. It might not be the best camera in terms of picture quality for the Pixar peepers. I take a wide range of photos and I frequently practice street photography. I can tell you that is the most well balanced feature set between picture quality and versatility. The camera is really fast on the shutter, almost no delay. Yes, the Nokia 1020 has better image quality provided you stand still, mostly portraits and with nicer Bokeh. But if you want to take action shots too, capture that moment that happens in a split second, forget it.

    17. Safari. Web browsing is a thing that I do quite often. I have yet to find a problem with touch with it. Yet with MS browsers some sites don't function well in both Internet Explorer 10 and Edge. In particular cascading menus don't work well with touch in quite a lot of sites while they work well with Safari and Chrome.

    ..... many more. This are just a few that I find very useful form me.

    So why do I have use Windows? As much as I appreciate these features of iOS, a much as appreciate Apple to bring them to market, even in spite the overall MS software quality is worst across the board, from easy user experience to reliability passing though the feature set, MS offers me something that Apple does not. That is Price flexibility in terms of devices.

    You see. Provided that we buy a brand new Apple device now (iPhone, iPad, Mac, MacBook Pro, ...) it can endure in a very satisfying way up to 4 years in case of iOS and up to 6 in case of Macs (according to my standards). But I cannot cope with the cost of it to keep my entire family in it. Sometimes I may feel I can spend 700 euros on a phone or iPad, other times I may feel I can spend 200. Windows provides me with this flexibility. The drawback is that I have to face a totally locked down and inflexible entertaining environment namely XBOX One, locked content environment Windows Phone (requires a reset to change the store) and I cannot easily project content, a per user app/game policy (cannot share apps across the family in flexible ways), etc.

    The above is why I believe MS has been having its **** kicked in the high end (everyone else really). The software quality, neither the approach to the ecosystem is up to the standards of for that range in many ways. It is not just the devices that are really good looking, The overall package is just not there yet. To be honest I doupt that it will ever be, considering that MS is having such a hard time to cope with what seams to be basic stuff in terms of reliability (I say it seams, because I'm sure it they are complex enough, but others make it look so easy). Experience cannot be verified with a feature check list. It cannot. I can talk about Airplay on Apple and DLNA and Miracast on Windows, people that don't know much about iOS quickly say they can do the same, but ... it is not really the same since the ease of use and robustness is not the same, so it is not a practice that gets into your skin, your habits the same way.

    You might say that something's I refer may be bugs, others will be improved. But some less then good experiences are there for months and years, is not longer a bug. It is the way how the system works. Worst, it is the way how MS want's or is able to put it to work (scary realization isn't it?). Either we put up with or we don't for some reason. The choice is yours, live with it.
    Last edited by Nuno Moz; 09-25-2015 at 06:32 AM.
    09-25-2015 05:38 AM
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